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Old 02-17-2013, 10:27 PM   #91 (permalink)
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I never get the "if a white guy said it..." argument. Stupid statements are stupid. It doesn't matter where they come from. I'm sure people would lose their mind if a white person said it but so what? Its not outrageous because a black guy said it, its outrageous because racism is stupid.

And yes, its racist. Its placing some value on a skin tone which has none. "Black people" are from far too many countries, cultures, and backgrounds to make a statement like that and have it be anything bu absurd.
Tell it to the fact that the major media attention racism gets is usually a one-way thing, and propagates the impression that there's only one race out there dishing it all out, when in fact that's not the case.

If we're going to deal with racism, we need to not be doing it from a position of modifying a particular race's behavior, which is mostly what media and common perception seems to love to confuse. And that's where the "if a white guy said it" argument comes from. It sheds light on the hypocrisy in the way this issue is interpreted and misplaced. It makes the same argument you're making, which is that it's fallacious to assume racism can only be perpetrated by one race.
And because it's not limited to one race, the obvious way to deal with it is to not blame it on one race, and instead get at the actual issues behind such a behavior.

Or maybe I'm just giving people too much credit?
You tell me.
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Old 02-17-2013, 10:41 PM   #92 (permalink)
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Future reference. If you insist on trolling a thread with "No1curr" gifs because you happen to think it's a non-issue, politely stay out of the thread instead of de-railing it.
If you really don't care, your time is better spent elsewhere, instead of provoking people who do care.

Thanks.

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De-rails deleted. If you want to take this issue up with me further, PM me or make another thread about it. Please don't use this one to do so.
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Old 02-17-2013, 11:11 PM   #93 (permalink)
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So you believe African Americans came from the British Isles and brought with them all the old tyme songs and fiddles tunes that eventually became Country Music? I think me and hhbh would like a reliable source - the reson I ask is just out of curiosity.
it was a collaborative effort maybe i did say something not entirely factually accurate.

African Americans did invent the banjo, and a lot of the songwriting etho's

I can be wrong too i just don't feel like trying to find a good source
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Old 02-17-2013, 11:21 PM   #94 (permalink)
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it was a collaborative effort maybe i did say something not entirely factually accurate.

African Americans did invent the banjo, and a lot of the songwriting etho's

I can be wrong too i just don't feel like trying to find a good source
And Europeans invented saxophones, trumpets, pianos, etc. but that doesn't mean Europeans invented jazz. The bottom line is that the creation of many of the styles music being discussed isn't as simple as X or Y, they're the product of unique mixtures of musical traditions and their origins are complex. That being said, African-Americans have had a disproportionately massive impact on American music, it's pretty hard to deny that.
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Old 02-17-2013, 11:25 PM   #95 (permalink)
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Old 02-18-2013, 01:09 AM   #96 (permalink)
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And Europeans invented saxophones, trumpets, pianos, etc. but that doesn't mean Europeans invented jazz. The bottom line is that the creation of many of the styles music being discussed isn't as simple as X or Y, they're the product of unique mixtures of musical traditions and their origins are complex. That being said, African-Americans have had a disproportionately massive impact on American music, it's pretty hard to deny that.
I think there is a proportionality for the African Americans, sorry if you disagree. I think the "disproportiontately" should rightfully go to Jewish Americans (2.1%) and maybe to the Scotch-Irish (1.2%).

The Scotch-Irish for their contributions to Appalachian music, American Folk Music, Rockabilly and Country.

Jewish American:

most influential Jewish Americans:
Aaron Copland: "the Dean of American Composers"
Bob Dylan
The Beach Boys
The Velvet Underground
David Grisman: inventor of "Dawg" music

some of the highest selling Jewish Americans:
Beastie Boys 40 million albums worldwide "the biggest-selling rap group" since 1991 > wiki
Herb Alpert: sold over 72 million albums worldwide > wiki
Neil Diamond: sold over 125 million records worldwide > wiki
Barbra Streisand: sold over 140 million albums sold worldwide > wiki
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:42 PM   #97 (permalink)
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And Europeans invented saxophones, trumpets, pianos, etc. but that doesn't mean Europeans invented jazz. The bottom line is that the creation of many of the styles music being discussed isn't as simple as X or Y, they're the product of unique mixtures of musical traditions and their origins are complex. That being said, African-Americans have had a disproportionately massive impact on American music, it's pretty hard to deny that.
And white people have had a disproportionately large impact on economics.
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Old 03-05-2013, 01:41 AM   #98 (permalink)
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While he may have a point, 'cause don't get me wrong, some of my favorite music is made by black people, I think it was a little racist.
1. A little racist? There really is no two ways about it, it's a ****ing racist statement. However, racist statements can also be accurate ones.
2. Maybe computers should be the only things which generate such statements in an effort to put an end to discrimination. Wait...

LMFAOOOOOOOOO
I mean Jamie Foxx has probably met many a black, white, puerto rican, chinese person in his successful as well as aspiring days - and I am sure there is a calculated, unbiased, logical reasoning to this controversial statement.

Now on the note of exposing the follies in words, I will take this moment to add, talent and skill are two entirely different things. Foxx's statement revolts me...

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Old 03-13-2013, 07:07 PM   #99 (permalink)
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Putting race above or below another is stupid, plain and simple. I do feel like there are a marginal amount of people who feel the need to label themselves as "black" and associate themselves with the culture that you see in the media. It's stupid and childish to not let go of an already shallow excuse for "culture". This issue runs far deeper though, and there is a long history behind it, one that is best explained by someone who is experienced in this field.
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:21 PM   #100 (permalink)
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Why is it okay for black people to say *Nig* (you know the word I mean) and not okay for white people to say it? I think it is an awful word and shouldn't be said at all. And these days you can refer to people as black without a kick in the teeth. So what do we call people then?
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