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midnight rain 03-02-2013 02:47 PM

A woman has two kids, one of them is a girl
 
What are the chances the other is also a girl?

Goofle 03-02-2013 02:49 PM

I am gonna go out on a limb and say 50%.

midnight rain 03-02-2013 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle11 (Post 1292321)
I am gonna go out on a limb and say 50%.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say vote :wave:

MoonlitSunshine 03-02-2013 02:55 PM

Assuming that the chance that the father will supply an X or a Y chromosome is equal (i/e, 50/50) then 50%. Why did you say 33%, Tuna?

midnight rain 03-02-2013 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MoonlitSunshine (Post 1292324)
Assuming that the chance that the father will supply an X or a Y chromosome is equal (i/e, 50/50) then 50%. Why did you say 33%, Tuna?

I'm going to wait for a few more responses before explaining my position :)

Burning Down 03-02-2013 03:40 PM

Not that I think it would matter a whole lot, but do the kids have the same father? I read once during an anthropology class that if a couple has one child, subsequent children are more likely to be of the same gender as the first child. This theory wouldn't apply if the children had different fathers, because it's something to do with the process of meiosis in the man's body, and every man is different.

Same father: I'll say 66% more likely that the other child is also a girl. Not a poll option but I could add it for you if you want. (You already have 33% up there.)

Different father: 50% or less.

Janszoon 03-02-2013 03:41 PM

If the two kids are identical twins, then I guess the answer would be 100%.

Exo 03-02-2013 03:44 PM

If I know math; which I don't; then the answer is 42.

Burning Down 03-02-2013 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1292345)
If the two kids are identical twins, then I guess the answer would be 100%.

Damn. You edited your post before I could reply to it, lol

Janszoon 03-02-2013 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1292347)
Damn. You edited your post before I could reply to it, lol

Haha! But, really, the whole world is girls.

Salami 03-02-2013 03:47 PM

The probability is completely independent of whether or not the first child is a boy. When you toss a coin 99 times and get 99 heads, the probability of the next toss being a head is still 50%. However the chances of getting 100 heads in a row in the first place are very low.

Don't think there are any other biological factors to worry about here, the fertilised egg has even chances of gotting a Y chomosome as it has of not getting it.

Exo 03-02-2013 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1292348)
Haha! But, really, the whole world is girls.

I'm a lady?

Bane of your existence 03-02-2013 03:49 PM

I'm going to say that at first, it's 50% that it's a girl. But you've already said one is a girl. Now, intuitively I want to say that it's obviously not 100% that the other kid is a boy, obviously. But I don't think you halve the remaining 50% for the next child either, so I went with 33%.
I wish I could justify my answer better. But all I have is that it seems like it's in between 50 and 25 for me.

midnight rain 03-02-2013 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1292343)
Not that I think it would matter a whole lot, but do the kids have the same father? I read once during an anthropology class that if a couple has one child, subsequent children are more likely to be of the same gender as the first child. This theory wouldn't apply if the children had different fathers, because it's something to do with the process of meiosis in the man's body, and every man is different.

Same father: I'll say 66% more likely that the other child is also a girl. Not a poll option but I could add it for you if you want. (You already have 33% up there.)

Different father: 50% or less.

Yep same father

Janszoon 03-02-2013 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Exoskeletal (Post 1292351)
I'm a lady?

Yep.

Burning Down 03-02-2013 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuna (Post 1292355)
Yep same father

Okay yeah, my vote stands at 66% likely that the second child is also female. It's a trend that I've also noticed with people that I know - a lot of them who have siblings tend to have more siblings of one gender then the other.

Exo 03-02-2013 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1292357)
Yep.

Finally. Now I can be fabulous.

Scarlett O'Hara 03-02-2013 04:26 PM

I chose 100% for fun. It's all about probability but in this case also biology.

Goofle 03-02-2013 04:32 PM

Gotta be 50%. I asked Yahoo.

midnight rain 03-02-2013 04:48 PM

Ok two things:

1.) As Vanilla said, the emphasis is on probability and biology, but moreso probability.

2.) It's a counterintuitive problem.

anticipation 03-03-2013 10:17 AM

congrats on another horrible thread.

The Batlord 03-04-2013 08:40 AM

I'm too lazy to go and look, but I'm pretty sure I heard that there is a higher percentage of females to males. Which would make sense if we evolved to live in groups led by one dominant male who mated with a large number of females. Having as many males as females might be a waste of resources. Of course there isn't an option for a higher chance of it being a girl besides 100%, so I choose anal beads. And since that isn't an option, I refuse to vote out of protest.

Face 03-04-2013 09:04 AM

If anything it should be slightly higher than 50%. If they are twins then they're more likely to be the same sex. So 51%. Picked 50. And any gender variation such as asexual/haemophrodite/statistical variations like slight changes in birthrates thrown in wouldn't tip it more than 5% either way.

Especially since the scenario doesn't outline if the known girl is the younger or older sibling

P A N 03-04-2013 11:12 AM

i'm going to say 33% because if it's a boy, natural selection has created a group ratio of 2:1. it seems to me that there needs to be more women because birthing is a longer process than f*cking. and i have no other input on this other than to say i deduced it from a beach boys song.

FRED HALE SR. 03-04-2013 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by anticipation (Post 1292504)
congrats on another horrible thread.

:rofl:

wiggums 03-04-2013 01:37 PM

It's a trick question. She's barren.

Key 03-04-2013 01:38 PM

50%. She'll either have a boy or a girl.

midnight rain 03-04-2013 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by anticipation (Post 1292504)
congrats on another horrible thread.

more productive than that 'MB was so much better back in the day' delusion youve been under


answer is 33% cause there's four different possibilities:

BG
GB
BB
GG

Because one of them is already a girl, that dismisses the possibility of BB, leaving:

BG
GB
GG

Since one of them is already a girl, 1/3 chance the other will also be a girl (GG)

Burning Down 03-04-2013 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuna (Post 1293300)
more productive than that 'MB was so much better back in the day' delusion youve been under


answer is 33% cause there's four different possibilities:

BG
GB
BB
GG

Because one of them is already a girl, that dismisses the possibility of BB, leaving:

BG
GB
GG

Since one of them is already a girl, 1/3 chance the other will also be a girl (GG)

I'm not sure if I understand this logic. Are you trying to use the Punnett square technique to determine sex? Because then all four choices would still apply for subsequent children.

Scarlett O'Hara 03-04-2013 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuna (Post 1293300)
more productive than that 'MB was so much better back in the day' delusion youve been under


I think you and me are making the most threads lately! I go through phases of thread ideas. But yeah MB is just as good now as it was before. However people are a lot more whiney these days, including me!

Janszoon 03-04-2013 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuna (Post 1293300)
more productive than that 'MB was so much better back in the day' delusion youve been under


answer is 33% cause there's four different possibilities:

BG
GB
BB
GG

Because one of them is already a girl, that dismisses the possibility of BB, leaving:

BG
GB
GG

Since one of them is already a girl, 1/3 chance the other will also be a girl (GG)

You're assuming that each of those possibilities are equally likely, which they aren't. I don't know how much it affects the numbers, but statistically there are slightly more males conceived than females. Also, there are a certain percentage that are neither male nor female.

Paedantic Basterd 03-04-2013 09:50 PM

I see.

The question we're being asked is about the odds of two disjoint events occurring together (Girl 1 followed by Girl 2), not the probability of a single event (the birth of either a boy or a girl).

I'm not sure if we can assume that biologically, inheritance of the X or Y is an even 50/50 split, since more women are born in the world than men, but I see where this is going.

Janszoon 03-04-2013 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1293477)
I see.

The question we're being asked is about the odds of two disjoint events occurring together (Girl 1 followed by Girl 2), not the probability of a single event (the birth of either a boy or a girl).

I'm not sure if we can assume that biologically, inheritance of the X or Y is an even 50/50 split, since more women are born in the world than men, but I see where this is going.

I think it's the reverse actually, as I mentioned above. Either way the point still stands that it's not 50/50.

Paedantic Basterd 03-04-2013 09:54 PM

It's entirely possible I'm incorrect, but I do believe I recently covered this in my studies somewhere.

Anyone else want to weigh in?

Janszoon 03-04-2013 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1293480)
It's entirely possible I'm incorrect, but I do believe I recently covered this in my studies somewhere.

Anyone else want to weigh in?

I think there are more women in the world than men, because women have a longer life expectancy, but when it comes to babies I believe there are males than females.

According to Wikipedia:

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In 2010, the global sex ratio was 986 females per 1,000 males and trended to reduce to 984 in 2011.

Paedantic Basterd 03-04-2013 10:01 PM

Oh, okay. Interesting, I sort of figured it'd be the other way around since there are more Xs kicking around in the gene pool than Ys. Wonder why that is.

Janszoon 03-04-2013 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1293486)
Oh, okay. Interesting, I sort of figured it'd be the other way around since there are more Xs kicking around in the gene pool than Ys. Wonder why that is.

I don't know. It is definitely weird.

Paedantic Basterd 03-04-2013 10:06 PM

Do those recorded births only take into account infants after a certain age, or is it possible that infantcide could make up the 14+ point difference?

This topic is piquing three of my academic interests at once.

Burning Down 03-04-2013 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1293486)
Oh, okay. Interesting, I sort of figured it'd be the other way around since there are more Xs kicking around in the gene pool than Ys. Wonder why that is.

That wouldn't determine the ratio of women to men though, since women are supposed to have two X chromosomes and men determine the gender of their children, so then there are only as many X sperm around as there are men in the world.

Paedantic Basterd 03-04-2013 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1293496)
That wouldn't determine the ratio of women to men though, since women are supposed to have two X chromosomes and men determine the gender of their children, so then there are only as many X sperm around as there are men in the world.

Right, I didn't think that through.


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