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Freebase Dali 05-16-2013 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1319496)
IRS: The part of the government that collects taxes investigating some anti-tax organizations who had filed for tax-exempt status so far hasn't struck me as very earth-shaking news. But admittedly I was in jury duty for over a week and that was sapping most of my mental energy so maybe there's something I've missed here. I'll have to read more about it.

Well the head of the IRS apologized for it, and then Obama fired him (Oh well, he was leaving anyway). So I guess even the people involved don't think it was kosher. There's definitely more to it that you'll come across if you read up on it. In general, though, it's not a controversy for nothing.

Freebase Dali 05-16-2013 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1319507)
With Bengazhi, I really don't see why that's such a big scandal when it's just a bunch of speculation at the moment of an ongoing instigation that has been going on for awhile now.

Well a lot of actual facts are out there about what happened and how it was dealt with, and more keep emerging. These are not flattering facts.
Especially the part where it was already known that it was a terrorist attack and not a spontaneously violent demonstration about a movie, and Rice still went out and told everyone otherwise. Of course, she was only reading prepared talking points... but the thing is, ALL SORTS OF INFORMATION that actually identified the situation correctly were removed from the reports. And there was no mention of any spontaneous demonstration anywhere... At some point, someone willingly decided to use false information to give to the public when they knew the actual facts.

It may not seem controversial to people so jaded that they think this is just how things work now, but to me, it's more than a little annoying.

hip hop bunny hop 05-16-2013 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1319507)
With Bengazhi, I really don't see why that's such a big scandal when it's just a bunch of speculation at the moment of an ongoing instigation that has been going on for awhile now.

Most of the speculation is in regards to whether Susan Rice knowingly embarked upon a misinformation campaign. What is not in question is that the Obama administration knew what she was saying was incorrect, and supported the misinformation campaign for the benefit of the Democrats in the 2012 election cycle. link

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1319462)
I can't say I was really "surprised" by any of it. What surprised me more is the apparent reaction to it all, or lack of one. Although I do applaud the more liberally-biased media outlets for actually reporting on it the way they are (I was surprised about that), I'm not getting a vibe that people as a whole are very concerned about what it is the government is doing.

Of course it's partisan. That MSNBC & the like have been reporting on it shouldn't be too surprising - Obama's Presidency has been anything but a success story.

katsy 05-16-2013 03:51 PM

Without googling it, where is Benghazi? I would say that 50% of the people I have daily contact with have no idea. Hell, I'd go higher than 50%.

It's f*cked up. Just imagine what else we don't know about.

As for Gosnell, that is f*cked up as well. I'm all for pro-choice, but this dude was just evil. There was a stink about liberal media not giving the case national coverage. The argument being that it would harm the pro-choice agenda. Yeah, sure it may do some harm. However, this guy was performing illegal abortions well after the gestation period that is mandated by law. I believe in the end he was found guilty of three(charged with four?) counts of first degree murder of infants.

djchameleon 05-16-2013 04:24 PM

With the recent release of the emails, I see where the scandal is now with the State Dept. having to edit those talking about 12 times. This is becoming a nice springboard for the Republicans to drag Hilary through the mud before she even announces that she'll be running in three and a half years from now.

hip hop bunny hop 05-17-2013 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by katsy (Post 1319867)
Without googling it, where is Benghazi? I would say that 50% of the people I have daily contact with have no idea. Hell, I'd go higher than 50%.

It is in Libya. In this country, Obama involved the USA in a conflict between forces loyal to Qaddafi & the rebellion, and it was these very members of the rebellion who ended up engaging in acts of terrorism against the USA. Oops.

The Batlord 05-17-2013 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop (Post 1320066)
It is in Libya. In this country, Obama involved the USA in a conflict between forces loyal to Qaddafi & the rebellion, and it was these very members of the rebellion who ended up engaging in acts of terrorism against the USA. Oops.

Yeah, I don't understand how people can have such short attention spans. A few years ago they were bitching about us having gone into Iraq, but now they've forgotten all about that and all of a sudden we need to help this or that or another Middle Eastern country that may or may not devolve into an Islamic theocracy. If the world wants us to be the world's police then shut up and cede control of the UN to us and be our slaves once and for all. Otherwise shut the fuck up and go invade Syria your goddamned selves, because I'll be damned if I'm gonna die in some god forsaken desert just because some holier-than-thou, whiny assholes gave my country a guilt trip.

katsy 05-17-2013 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop (Post 1320066)
It is in Libya. In this country, Obama involved the USA in a conflict between forces loyal to Qaddafi & the rebellion, and it was these very members of the rebellion who ended up engaging in acts of terrorism against the USA. Oops.

NO ****, a little experiment: Ask two simple questions(face-to-face). #1 Is there a cover-up regarding Benghazi? After they answer, ask #2 What country is Benghazi in?

Answers I have received: Yes and somewhere in Africa.

djchameleon 05-17-2013 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by katsy (Post 1320073)

Answers I have received: Yes and somewhere in Africa.

Somewhere in Africa is a good enough answer, at least they have the continent right.

The Batlord 05-17-2013 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1320076)
Somewhere in Africa is a good enough answer, at least they have the continent right.

I'd say even having the right hemisphere would be good enough, but then I'm sure I'd have to explain to them what a hemisphere was.


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