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Freebase Dali 05-25-2013 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 1324025)
The Republican's won't get the necessary traction they need on any of it because they've been crying wolf about a black man in the white house ruining the country for 6 years.

I agree. Also because Obama has run the country for 6 years and yet somehow manages not be responsible for anything negative that happens in it.

TheBig3 05-25-2013 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1324053)
I agree. Also because Obama has run the country for 6 years and yet somehow manages not be responsible for anything negative that happens in it.

Name one thing that was his alone and I'd agree with you. The Congress wanted to give him nothing, and then tried to blame him for all the nothing they gave him.

If he had one thing go through without incident, I'd at least have something to go on. I'm not saying he's not a ****-up, I'm saying how could we possibly know?

Freebase Dali 05-25-2013 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 1324093)
Name one thing that was his alone and I'd agree with you. The Congress wanted to give him nothing, and then tried to blame him for all the nothing they gave him.

If he had one thing go through without incident, I'd at least have something to go on. I'm not saying he's not a ****-up, I'm saying how could we possibly know?

I'm not really relating the recent events, or any other, in such a way as to say he held them on his own (Which is probably impossible to do, btw). Just like I wouldn't say the same for "most" of our other presidents. But when you're the president, you're responsible for what goes on in your country, good or bad.

The left had no problem parking every issue at Bush's doorstep when he was president. And he probably deserved 99 percent of it. But you just don't see that with Obama, except from the right. I just think he also deserves a majority of the burden, because when you're the f*cking president, you don't get to decide what you're responsible for.

But even that is irrelevant against the fact that regardless of how baseless any accusations are, the Odministration is more worried about defending themselves than fixing the problems. Obviously, I don't think that's such a new thing. It's politics in general. And that's what's f*cked up about it.

Franco Pepe Kalle 05-25-2013 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1324010)
I wouldn't hold my breath.

You could have said the same thing about Iowa and Minnesota but they have gay marriage in their states now. BATLORD, I predict by 2014, about 16 states would have gay marriage.

Burning Down 05-25-2013 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Pepe Kalle (Post 1324284)
You could have said the same thing about Iowa and Minnesota but they have gay marriage in their states now. BATLORD, I predict by 2014, about 16 states would have gay marriage.

Yeah but Minnesota and Iowa are also blue states. Well, so is Virginia but I think Virginia is still a lot more conservative when it comes to gay rights.

Franco Pepe Kalle 05-25-2013 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1324313)
Yeah but Minnesota and Iowa are also blue states. Well, so is Virginia but I think Virginia is still a lot more conservative when it comes to gay rights.

Iowa is no hell a blue state. Yes Minnesota is a blue state but it is not that liberal. It is a more moderate liberal state.

Burning Down 05-25-2013 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Pepe Kalle (Post 1324314)
Iowa is no hell a blue state. Yes Minnesota is a blue state but it is not that liberal. It is a more moderate liberal state.

This is an electoral map from the 2012 election. Iowa is IA, right? Looks pretty blue there, unless the colour on my screen is way off.

http://politicalmaps.org/wp-content/...mepage-map.png

Franco Pepe Kalle 05-25-2013 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1324318)
This is an electoral map from the 2012 election. Iowa is IA, right? Looks pretty blue there, unless the colour on my screen is way off.

http://politicalmaps.org/wp-content/...mepage-map.png

Iowa is a swing state. It has never been a blue state. It is a state that is a purple state just like Virginia. I mean they major right wing fanatics in Iowa (ie STEVE KING) like Virginia.

The Batlord 05-28-2013 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1324313)
Yeah but Minnesota and Iowa are also blue states. Well, so is Virginia but I think Virginia is still a lot more conservative when it comes to gay rights.

Virginia is not a blue state. Virginia has only even been a swing state for the last few elections. We're relatively red 'round these here parts. The north of Virginia around DC might be more liberal, but the rest of it is moderately conservative at best to downright redneck out in the central and western parts.

hip hop bunny hop 05-28-2013 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 1324093)
Name one thing that was his alone and I'd agree with you. The Congress wanted to give him nothing, and then tried to blame him for all the nothing they gave him.

lawl. I love this defense of Obama, "It's not his fault he's incompetent!"

As President, you have to deal with the opposition. Simply throwing up your hands and whining that not everyone agrees with you isn't a sign of competent, let alone great, leadership.


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