CrazyVegn

I have psychic dreams so I do believe in the possibility others can do this. Sometimes Sylvia Browne messes up. Just because of the psychic ability doesn't make someone not human anymore. On the other hand, her looks don't matter although you are right - she looks like Hulk Hogan in drag (w/ the hair) and if someone can make fake nails look tacky it is her. IDK why she does that because it's not helping her case AT ALL. Such irony...
And she claims to be a beauty lover! Some people we just won't ever be able to wrap our heads around because their style is completely opposite our own. Different opinions doesn't make someone fraudulent, but when it comes to family member deaths mistakes are seen as an insensitive, exploitative outrage. That is understandable.

Lord Larehip

The other poster said psychics are scum and they are. However, no one forces a person to go to a psychic. As long as there is a demand, someone will supply it. Sylvia Browne messes up because she's a phony who likely believes her own BS. As far as taking people for their money, so what? They deserve to have their money taken. They get no sympathy from me. It's just like religion, if you're going to donate 10% of your annual income to a church that teaches you there is a big spook in the sky whose son was a Jewish carpenter with magical powers so great that he could rise from the dead but who nevertheless could be killed in the first place and all to forgive humanity for the sin of two people eating an apple in the Garden of Eden (as if humanity could be improved through acts of torture and murder), you're not very bright and deserve to lose your money to these frauds. No one forces you to give them your money so I'm not inclined to care if you go bankrupt financing these charlatans.

Different opinions obviously don't make someone fraudulent but claiming to be a psychic DOES make someone fraudulent. I mean, I've had dreams where I see something falling and then I hear a bowl crash to the floor that wakes me up. So maybe we all have some small psychic component but that's a far cry from claiming to know where missing loved ones are (but not the identity of who killed them). Anyone who claims that power can easily be proven wrong and have been many times because they are phonies and yet people keep going to them.

Sansa Stark

So what's your beef?

CrazyVegn

Yea and how does she get most things right? Hello.

Lord Larehip

She doesn't. Television is only going to show you when she appears to get it right. Most of the time, she simply doesn't. It takes practice and even a certain humility to be a shyster. You have to say to yourself, "I have no psychic abilities whatsoever, I'm a fraud. I need to develop techniques to take people in. I can't just shoot from the hip and expect to get it right. I have to develop and observe the best ways to set people up and fleece them without them realizing that I'm fleecing them. I don't want to steal their money, I want them to hand it to me of their own free will."

Browne, however, will simply blurt out what she hopes is the answer without any preliminary questions. What are the odds that you can meet a stranger who asks, "How did my daughter die?" and you can just blurt out an answer and nail it? Virtually nil and Browne proves it. The obvious thing you should do is say, "Tell me what you know of your daughter's death" and then take it from there. If Browne were truly psychic she wouldn't have been wrong--plain and simple. If you can shoot from the hip and get it right even 50% of the time, you truly must be psychic. Browne proves she isn't.


Sylvia Browne EPIC FAILS!!! - YouTube


Psychic: Sylvia Browne Predicted Amanda Berry Was Dead On The Montel Williams Show! - YouTube


Syvlia Browne Predictions for 2007 (WRONG) - YouTube


Psychic Sylvia Browne Wrongly Tells Missing Boy's Parents He's Dead - YouTube

CrazyVegn

Just so you know, Lord, I dont have the time today but I am NEVER going to give up my side. When I get some free time I'll post some vids too, maybe tonight.

RoxyRollah

Ok: Since I don't know you let me introduce myself... I am Roxy, Rox, Rox in the box, whatever, you want to call me...

Now that being said, I am retracting my claws because when I read your post the first couple times, all the hairs on my neck stood up... You have NO idea, what it is you are undertaking or day dreaming of undertaking... I am a survivor, of a cult... I grew up that way and until, you have been in a situation like that for 13 years you will never know, you can't know that you are never really out, no matter, whether you were disband, ran off, or in some unfortunate cases no longer breathing... the psychological damage runs too deep alot of the time for therapy to even work...

It is nothing like what it is portrayed as in the media.. especially the united states.... Alot of times it is much much much worse... to even entertain the notion to me is quite frankly scary... You are afraid of how out of control it might get? Really? There is no line from beginning to end..... I am a charismatic person, very charismatic, and I went from being a cult survivor, into ministry for a few years until I realized that my own ego might possibly do damage to others and that I was acting out what I had grown up seeing on a smaller scale... So if you are looking to try something out, to see if you are able to control people, become a magician, fool them with the slight of hand, rather then fool them into drinking the kool-aid....

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Lord Larehip

Retracting your claws means you're pulling them in unless that's what you mean in which case I'm confused as to your position.

There are a lot of people from ordinary religions who have the exact same problem. The military can do that to people also. I know a guy who joined the marines in his youth and over 20 years later, he's just not the person he was when he went in. He'll do things like suddenly drop to the floor and do push-ups while shouting the number--20 years after he got out. I literally do not know him anymore, I do not recognize the person he now is.

Cults are portrayed all kinds of ways so that's not a helpful statement. And your experience in a cult cannot and does not serve as everybody else's experience. I know people who joined cults for a few years and then left none the worse for wear. Some cults are dangerous, some are not. Some are strict, some are rather free. Some are closed, some are open. Some are hostile, some are friendly.

The only thing the various cults have in common is that ALL cults are cults of personality. Some may have a rigid chain of command while some just have the leader and then everybody else. But there s always a leader.

You don't fool people into drinking kool-aid. They will drink it quite voluntarily knowing full well they will die if they do. People WANT to be controlled. Deep down we know we don't know who we are, what we are doing or why we do it. On the surface, it seems that way but underneath, we are dummies. If people list the three most important issues facing the country right now, virtually all of them pick issues that are most prevalent in the media. Moreover, they know little about each of these issues. They chose them because, basically, someone told them to. That's a form of cult-think and yet most of us engage in it all the time and all of us engage in it at least some of the time.

We are so geared in this age to accept arguments from authority that we often believe statements without testing them if they come from someone with a fancy title. In fact, we often accept these statements without even bothering to find out if this authoritative person in question actually said it! And we have all done this. I'd be a liar if I said I didn't. We also will take a skeptical position without knowing whether it is the correct one because we feel it makes us seem more educated and free-thinking.

We become accustomed to believing we see the world as it is because we know ourselves--until we find out that we don't. When that happens, we are shocked. It can't be! As an example, a professor at a college flashed a bunch of slides on a screen for just a split second. The students were to write down what they saw. One slide depicted two men--one white and one black--stripped the waist, grappling in hand-to-hand combat where one man held a knife. The majority of white students stated that the black man held the knife. When the slide was shown again and left up so that it could be clearly observed and studied, the knife was not only in the white man's hand, it was CLEARLY in the white man's hand. The angle of the knife would be impossible for the black man to hold it that way. Many of these students became VERY upset. "You're trying to tell me I'm a racist, is that it?" or "You switched the slides because the black guy was holding the knife!" The slides were not switched and those students who saw the knife in the black man's hand were not necessarily racist. The experiment was meant to show the unconscious but highly important role that cultural bias plays in our everyday lives and perceptions. Is it any wonder so many black men are freed from prison based on DNA evidence only now available after they had already spent 25 years behind bars? Is it any wonder that a black man is far more likely to be convicted of a crime than a white man for the same crime? Because of our subconscious biases, our justice system is very unjust.

We really don't know ourselves the way we assume we do. You like to think you're honest but if you found a million dollars would you turn it in, would you turn most of it in but keep some? Before you answer, remember, you don't really know yourself the way you think. What if you were in deep financial straits and desperately needed this money for your family or to feed and clothe your kids or you had no retirement savings to live off when you get too old to work in a couple of years and have no idea what you're going to do to get by?--scared to death of becoming a homeless old beggar. What would you do then? Basically, until you are in that situation, you don't know.

An experiment was performed in various countries a few decades back where a subject was strapped into an electric chair. Another person was then to be an interrogator. He would command the person in the chair to recite a poem or tell a joke. If this person refused to comply, a researcher standing nearby would tell the interrogator to press a button and it would administer a mild shock to induce the subject in the chair to behave. These shocks came in 10 levels, each one more severe than the last. At the 10th level, the subject would receive a lethal dose and die. The interrogators were only to do what the researcher told them to do. It was all a set up, of course, the man in the chair was in on the experiment and was not to comply with the interrogator who was the real subject being tested. What was being tested was his obedience to authority. In Germany, the test subjects had a 90% obedience rate!! They killed when they were told to kill. Many were permanently traumatized by their actions because they had thought they had killed a man on someone else's orders and even after being shown it was all a setup and no one was hurt they were not comforted. In their minds, they committed murder. A murderer lurked inside them and they never knew, never suspected, it was was there. We were so shocked at all the torture photos taken at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq and yet 90% of the most shocked among us would have done exactly the same thing as those soldiers.

I was intrigued by the case of the three Army soldiers that came upon the My Lai massacre in Vietnam where American soldiers were slaughtering innocent Vietnamese women, children and even babies and they tried to stop it. The Army refused to honor them as heroes for decades. They went back to My Lai many years later and an old lady came up to one of them and told him she did not hate Americans but she wanted to know why they had done this terrible thing to her village. The man looked her in the eye and said, "Ma'am, I don't know why. I've asked many times and have never received an answer." That struck me. We commit massacres and we really don't know why we do it. Someone told us to.

So we figure it is better to be controlled for a purpose than to be doing things subconsciously for no purpose or for a purpose we don't understand. In Jonesville, they figured it was better to die for Jim Jones than to continue living and not knowing what for.

CrazyVegn

^Don't you mean to protract your claws, Roxy? ;-)

Anywho here's a famous example of a psychic dream to start out with in his own words:

"About ten days ago, I retired very late. I had been up waiting for important dispatches from the front. I could not have been long in bed when I fell into a slumber, for I was weary. I soon began to dream. There seemed to be a death-like stillness about me. Then I heard subdued sobs, as if a number of people were weeping. I thought I left my bed and wandered downstairs. There the silence was broken by the same pitiful sobbing, but the mourners were invisible. I went from room to room; no living person was in sight, but the same mournful sounds of distress met me as I passed along. I saw light in all the rooms; every object was familiar to me; but where were all the people who were grieving as if their hearts would break? I was puzzled and alarmed. What could be the meaning of all this? Determined to find the cause of a state of things so mysterious and so shocking, I kept on until I arrived at the East Room, which I entered. There I met with a sickening surprise. Before me was a catafalque, on which rested a corpse wrapped in funeral vestments. Around it were stationed soldiers who were acting as guards; and there was a throng of people, gazing mournfully upon the corpse, whose face was covered, others weeping pitifully. 'Who is dead in the White House?' I demanded of one of the soldiers, 'The President,' was his answer; 'he was killed by an assassin.' Then came a loud burst of grief from the crowd, which woke me from my dream. I slept no more that night; and although it was only a dream, I have been strangely annoyed by it ever since." -Abraham Lincoln

This link talks about the prophetic dreams Buddy Holly and his wife had about his death, followed by an actual date given to him by a psychic that went ignored since February 3rd had already passed. It was the NEXT Feb 3rd...

The Curse of Buddy Holly

On Ritchie Valens' end I discovered that his best childhood friend died when wreckage of two colliding airplanes fell on him in the school playground. The reason Ritchie wasn't at school that day was due to having to attend his grandfather's funeral. That, to me, is ominous as it gets. It says, in other words "we'll let you off the hook since your grandpa died, but we'll take your bf instead this time..."
My line of thinking goes that way bc I have started to believe we are presently paying for any past or present deeds so no matter how innocent the person is things occur accordingly. It isn't, however, a dispassionate outlook by any means.
One day while meditating in my bedroom w/ the shades drawn I thought to myself (thinking of the day the music died) what injuries actually killed him. The reason I focused on Valens is bc he was the youngest. Then I closed my eyes for a bit and saw the image of him lying face down in the snow w both arms twisted back and broken. I thought, how random and horrible! Immediately I had to research it to find out if I'd been correct. Of course I was or I wouldn't be talking about it:
From the coroner's report:
"There was marked deformity of the left forearm due to fracture. a 1-inch laceration on the dorsum of the left hand at its junction with the little finger. The left upper femur had marked deformity with fracture while the right tibia showed a compound fracture. "
Source: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/art...Roger-Peterson

These dreams/visions began around my preteen years. The first one was of my neighbor's death making front page of the paper and a photo of the wreckage which was a blue semi tipped on its side. About a week later he died in a truck accident. I inquired about its color and think I got it wrong, TBH.

There are happy dreams I've had like at age 20 when I was walking down a glowing white corridors to be greeted at the end with a nurse holding a baby boy. She smiled and spoke to me, "His name is Abel."
Some time later, I think about two weeks, we got a postcard in the mail announcing the birth of a new family member whose middle name was Abel.

Enough about me since I'm probably going to be attacked for this gift that was involuntarily given to me. I'm not saying you would, but since this is public someone is probably going to.
I think we're all capable of doing this since we are only using 1/3 of our brains anyway.

Other less known examples of psychic ability, etc are memories of previous life experiences as demonstrated in this documentary, among many:


The Boy Who Lived Before - Extraordinary People - YouTube

Sylvia Browne getting it right:


Sylvia Browne (Sisters vaildating Sylvia on Montel) - YouTube


Sylvia Browne's Predictions - YouTube

Although I don't know him personally, I don't appreciate John Edwards being called a "douche"...

Here's at least one clip of him eerily hitting all the right notes:


"Family Murder" - YouTube

Here he is on Dr.Phil: (Part l)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm2VLXntMVk

Part ll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=...ture=endscreen

Other Part(s):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M4hIHnUcoc

IDK why the show is broken up in clips, sorry...
Oh and BTW I argue to win and always do ;-)

RoxyRollah

See, that... I love long winded people that know nothing, of what they speak, but they have read a few books, watched a life time movie, know somoeone who knows someone and are suddenly an expert on all things pertaining.. the topic in question... we can have a serious discussion if you want but not in your thread... feel free to pm, and we'll talk logically, philosophically, and by the time the conversation is done. I will have at least educated you on the violence, abuse and devastation that cults cause... but as for doing it here on this thread no....

And no I retracted my claws... I meant what I wrote.

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