It's not a woman's choice in China, in most cases it is mandatory, and China has a higher suicide rate for women than any where else.

Does this apply if a man and woman are in a loving/committed relationship?

love doesn't mean you own someone though

Agreed, but I think the man's beliefs are at least worth considering at that point. No?

Ultimately, it's always the woman's decision (in the US).

Furthermore, the Chinese one child policy will lead to the situation where every tax payer has to support two elderly people. It's unsustainable. Maybe that's why the government is slowly easing off on the policy.

Not for a nanosecond

If you're not the one having the procedure the most and best thing you can do is support their decision.

I think he's talking about a committed relationship. Obviously he shouldn't have control over the abortion, but I think it's morally imperative on the woman to respect the trust of the relationship to at least tell the dude he procreated. Even if he wants an abortion too it's still a pretty big deal to have a kid. If a woman doesn't at least respect his feelings enough to let him know then that says a lot about their relationship.

it's not the woman's choice in many parts of the world. i was saying that i agree that it should be the woman's choice.

But do you support women? Do you think it is wrong what is happening to all those Chinese women who have forced abortion? And what about the all the abortions that happen because the gender of the unborn was a deciding factor, when they find out "it's a girl" in parts of the world where women are not highly valued.

i don't like the idea of forced abortion though i guess they do have a pretty severe population crisis. don't actually know enough to say whether i think that policy is right or not. it could possibly be a pragmatic necessity.

as for aborting cause they don't want daughters... that's their choice imo.

Very much PRO CHOICE! Enough said. :soapbox:

This.

And this, respectfully. If I were to get pregnant now my SO would have every right to express his feelings on the matter, it would be his kid too and the aftermath of said abortion would impact us forever. Giving him the chance to give input would be in no way him telling me what to do.

If you're pro-life, something to consider...

Utah

Please, I don't want to consider it.

Rev. John C. Wester said "Utah cannot proclaim itself a pro-life state so long as it refuses to provide access to basic health care coverage to a significant portion of its citizens." I don't know from scanning through that article if Wester equates "basic health care" with "pro-Medicaid expansion" or was that a connection the writer, Kirsten Stewart, has made. Hopefully he doesn't but if he does then be weary of that, it sounds like he subscribes to Liberation theology.

Pro-life has expanded to include all sorts of things, including being against using the death penalty, which doesn't make sense to me coming to the side of someone guilty of taking human life. If it starts to include Obamacair then the term is rendered useless.