hip hop bunny hop

It's hard to shout nuanced opinions.

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The Batlord

This is just a silly argument. All you're saying is that you refuse to give an opinion on something because you'd probably feel bad for possibly coming down on a group that you feel is being bullied. You might as well refrain from commenting on male mysogny or homophobia, since you're not a man and can't understand male culture.

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Paedantic Basterd

It's also pointless to discuss them, because they amount to "Everything is relative".

butthead aka 216

truth




also i dont think i even said but i am very happy she got freed and let go!!!!

hip hop bunny hop

God forbid one both acknowledge the reality of moral relativism and the necessity of forcing ones morality upon others some times.

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Sansa Stark

I'm queer and agender, I'm still affected by homophobia and misogyny. Just like everyone is. Just because I'm not AMAB doesn't mean I can't comment on misogyny and homophobia, both of which affect me.

The Batlord

Perhaps, but since you're not a man then can you make judgements on the men who perpetuate misogyny and homophobia? I've never seen you back down from insulting those who perpetrate it, but somehow I can't even comment on what I perceive to be culturally institutionalized misogyny?

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Sansa Stark

^ yep, I will also call out anyone who identifies as female on misogyny and racism and homophobia.

I do recognise I may perpetuate problematic ideas since no one is completely free of prejudice (I'm still white and relatively middle class atm), but I don't publicly flagellate myself that's just silly. However if someone were to call me out publicly on what they found to be racist, sexist, etc behaviour then I'd listen to what they had to say, definitely, unless they're speaking on something like transphobia and are cis.

You can definitely comment on misogyny, however you still should recognise that you are (from what I know, feel free to correct me bc I don't like to make assumptions on things like gender for obvious reasons) perceived as a cis-male and just as I am publicly perceived as being cis-female and heterosexual (I mainly **** men but I am romantically attached to women) and if you don't realise that I probably experience more sexism than you do, then you're perpetuating, not helping.

People are free to comment on whatever they want, lmao, that's the whole point, I'm not interested in taking away anyone's right to be a total *******, however I will not back down from an argument when it means checking someone on their racism, sexism, homophobia, or transphobia (etc etc etc....) however most people like to think I **** on Vanilla because she gets more attention than I do or she disagrees with me. This is false, I love women and my female friends mean the world to me, and that includes many of the girls on here especially (Meg, Steph, Amandria my actual soulmate and Boston wife, Kayleigh) and I consider them not to be just members of musicbanter but actual real life friends much like the people I used to hang out with before I voluntarily became a recluse. They are my friends because they are loyal, kind, compassionate people who treat people with respect even if they don't agree with them. Vanilla has no respect for me or anything to do with my life if she flippantly can joke about how "rape isn't always a bad thing" and not get called right the **** out on it. People like to think that I /make/ other people agree with me, but how condescending is it to think that grown women can't make their own goddamn decisions? All I do, in regards to women and musicbanter, is try to make it a safe place to talk about being a woman and women's experiences without it being through the male gaze or having it be scary, because no matter what, I will be there to rip anyone a new ******* who thinks it's okay to take a safe space away from people, and I don't give two ****s what any of you think of me for that either, as that already is clear enough. Do you think I honestly care that people think I'm a "dramatic bitch" because I don't let **** slide? No one says ****, so I do. People need to know that perpetuating these things is /not/ okay.

I shouldn't have to disclose my status as a rape victim to be taken seriously or to be told how to talk about my experiences. No one is ever entitled to that sort of information. Just like when I talk about my drug addiction and mental illness.

Sansa Stark

good lord, I curse so much, I can't even be bothered to edit that

crash_override

When did people stop being allowed to not like other people without it being racist, or sexist, or homophobic? Sometimes people just go out of their way to be hated, and when others oblige, they are ecstatic because they get to point the finger and yell '-ist' and '-ic' words at someone. Since when did being in some sort of perceived minority put people on such a high ****ing pedestal that they get free reign to call everyone else whatever they want?

Sometimes people just suck. Most of the time, actually.

P.S. I was just in Dubai earlier this month. Quite a lovely place, despite the way it's been portrayed here in this thread. I would recommend it, especially if you're into architecture and shopping, they certainly have some of the best in the world on both accounts.

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