Yeah shock value can do that, it's why I find myself laughing whenever Uncle Ruckus (no relation) speaks on The Boondocks.

As I said, I misworded that horribly and for that I apologize.

It carries over into other uses too.

Fat, Ugly or Slutty is a site dedicated to showing the sexual abuse female gamers receive via things like Xbox Live and it can be pretty hard to read. It also makes me wonder what the parents of the person writing it would think if they found out. Honestly I really wish Microsoft did something more about the abuse, because it only costs them money and integrity when female gamers cancel their subscriptions because of the abuse.

Yeah I was just talking about that. I remember some of the things that would be said to me when I used to play Halo. As soon as they found out I was a girl, it was just disgusting.

there was a youtube video recently of a pretty mature and reasonable discussion/debate about rape type jokes. it was some famous comedian and some feminist i think. maybe this mentioning will remind someone of it.

i have no problem with any jokes or what people think about me or others when they are used. actually i kinda have a problem with some of the 'make me a sanwich/get in the kitchen' type jokes but it isn't about the content bein offensive its because i jsut dont think its funny or original. same with dead baby jokes, just not funny. but i have no problem with jokes that offend people or cross arbitrary lines of sensitivity. i contemplated sayin this cause i dont wanna derail the thread and start ww3 with certain ppl but since it pertains, i DO truly honestly believe that some ppl who get up in arms about some jokes are expressing fake and/or exagerated outrage and its not genuine

that comes from my general outlook on life which is the world is too concerned with politically correct and pussified lol. there are probably jokes that pertain to events in my life that another person with my past would be offended by but i just dont care. if someone cant take a joke im never gonna lose sleep over it. i also dont really care or put a whole lotta stock in 'humor helps us heal.' i mean i guess it is true to an extent but i think we should just be able to laugh at jokes and not take them so seriously

No one cares about your outlook on life tho like who asked for ur autobiography? All you're doing is victim blaming while telling us **** literally no one cares about and then you're going to whine about this post.

Your total inability to grasp irony is actually astounding

@ 216 I'm sure you're trolling but people like you are the reason this is a problem.

No, it's just Dirty. If it doesn't have to do with meathead white boys its gay, remember

I agree. Happens a lot in Britain, grieving and being offended are like national sports here imo. One example: There was a footballer called Fabrice Muamba who had a cardiac arrest on the pitch and nearly died on television. The nation went into a massive forced outpouring of grief, everybody posting tributes, players getting t shirts printed, all sorts, it was cringey as fuck. A football fanzine printed this cover and got absolutely slated for it - http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-co...2/03/ri260.jpg

I thought it was funny as fuck and bang on.

That's making fun of the situation, not really his death.

It's not saying "We hope the player is dead." It would be different if it did.

The same way there's a difference between a joke about raping someone and a joke about the rape culture.

It's not attacking anyone specific, it's attacking an idea.

im not trollin at all and i dunno how you would even come to that conclusion, everything i said is my personal opinion and i stand by all of it. sorry u disagree with that


fluffy, i agree its all very cringy. i cant pinpoint the reasoning to be honest but i think maybe its a desire to feel superior somehow or put others down to make yourself feel good?? im talkin about the fake outrage thing. it just seems so common now and it makes me face palm cause i think its ridiculous. everyone should lighten up in my opinion and just take jokes for what they are and thats jokes

Hahaha

Someone's a cute little misogynist

People didn't react to it like that though, which is my point. Twitter anger as Manchester United fanzine Red Issue takes aim at Fabrice Muamba 'grief junkies' - Manchester Evening News

Is saying this even a joke though? & as for the 2nd sentence, both of those are jokes, as long as it's a joke, no problem.

Not trying to be a twat or anything, I hear what you're saying. Just posting my opinion.

im not gonna get in a pissin match in several threads with u, its obvious we disagree on many things but like i said i stand by everythin ive said here and dont see a problem with it. i like jokes.

And you don't care about other people's feelings if it means getting in the way of your frat boy dudebro good time, we've established that :)

Now get the fuck out my thread.

lol when it comes to jokes, its true i dont care too much about other ppls feelings but that also doesnt mean i purposely go around tryin to hurt ppl. i just think ppl are over sensitive to jokes a lot of the time

Mods pls delete this and anything else he posts in here


I told him to leave

What's the difference between a dead baby and a cheeseburger...?










I dont fuck my cheeseburgers before I eat them.

People are going to over react, react, and under react, but I think morality is the issue here. if something ACTUALLY is ****ed up, why is someone saying it?

if that cover offended the player or the family or close friends, maybe it shouldn't have been said. Why is it okay to say something about someone and get all butthurt when they're offended?

I'm not talking about you, now, I'm talking in general.

It really pisses me off that people will blame ME for being offended by something even though they're the one who said the offensive thing. If it's like about McDonald's and I get offended, that's one thing. but if it's about something that happened to ME or someone I love, why do you get to go around making jokes?

+1 For giving me a new reason to hate Tina Fey. How is she a "slut shaming, racist bitch"? I only knew she was painfully unfunny and that I wish I could go back in time and uncreate 30 Rock.

I know you're not talking about me it's cool.

Offence is subjective, people are offended by different things. As I said, every joke is at the expense of someone somewhere. People can make jokes, they can't be expected to know what will offend every person they're telling the joke to, it's not the joke teller's fault if someone gets offended because that particular joke is close to home. If they did it to offend, fine, if not, no biggie.

LiveLeak.com - Steve Hughes - What's wrong with being offended?

Here ya go!
Your Fave Is Problematic

On top of that, there's a difference between simply being offended, scoffing, and whining a bit, and being actually hurt by the joke. If you take Daniel Tosh's suggestion that one of his fans gets raped on the way out of the show (meant to be a joke), this actually hurt her, and could have made her afraid to leave. Also, his fans tend to be idiots, and could have listened. Not saying it would have been his fault if someone attacked her, but his "joke" was completely disgusting and unnecessary. I might be offended if someone makes a joke about hispanics and... labor workers for example, but it's not the same as if someone made a joke that made me feel threatened or hurt.

I do know what you mean here but for the most part, I didn't see it that way. I actually think that other countries seem to be quicker offended etc than we are and when it comes to things like Muamba having a heart attack, and Petrov getting cancer, all the tributes at Villa Park etc I wouldn't be so quick to take issue with it. I think, at its core, it's a good thing. It's a normal, decent way for people top react. If we do anything here, as a rule, we maybe just drag it out longer than we need to.

I think what happened to Muamba was a shock. For a football fan, you dont like to witness that happen on TV, and it's natural to want to wish him well. We all pay to watch football and footballers, and for all they **** we give them, I think its natural to make a connection like that with one of them when something like that happens. To pay a tribute or whatever. Same with Petrov. The man has cancer. That isn't a nice scenario. However, how long is Villa Park gonna continue the tributes in the 19th minute? They can't keep it up forever, can they?

We maybe drag things on, when its probably time to move on, or else we arent just responding like decent people, we are dwelling in something unneccessarily. Look at Hillsborough. And look at the fans who would take my legs for even daring to mention it unless it's a completely, unmistakeably complimentary and praising way.

You mean the woman who heckled him at his own show? How is he supposed to know she was raped?

The joke was fine, OK it offended her, it's terrible she got raped. Not sure why he was wrong to make the joke. & Surely she would have known the sort of material he writes before going to one of his shows?

I'm a Villa fan as you know, I actually go to the games and I take issue with it. It doesn't need to be done every game.

If Dave from work is ill do you write 'Get well soon Dave' on a shirt and lift it up when you execute a business deal? Fuck no, it's all for other people to see, that's why it's cringey. If you care, donate some money to a cancer charity or something.

See, this is the thing. Most people had never heard of him yet rushed to Twitter to show everyone how much they care about it. It's false. I mentioned some no mark celebrity and the Gaddafi tweet before, same principle. It's like a competition to see who can grieve the most.

lol

Liverpool fans like to give out death threats on social media websites and stalk your online profiles if you dare to mention Hillsborough in any other light than what their Justice campaigners say :D

I don't really mean to butt in on this, but the joke that Daniel Tosh made was: "Rape is always funny, right?" To which she disagreed aloud.

Daniel Tosh made victims the butt of his joke. Twice consecutively. I can't look past that, as much as I try to see both sides of this issue.

The guy is tasteless and oblivious.

How are you butting in if this is a public forum?

:)

Theres a chance we're on the same, if not similar, pages at least Fluffy. It just wasn't completely clear from your post.

Basically my point is that with things like what happened with Muamba, what happened to Petrov and the tributes surrounding that, and also things like Hillsborough, this isn't, at its core, false grief or concern....but it can become that. And of course you're gonna have bandwagon jumpers as well, but thats always the case, no matter the topic.

I found witnessing (well, kind of) what happened to Muamba distressing. It felt like one of those moments where the team you support doesn't ****ing matter, you know? Cause there are more important things. I also thought the tributes at Villa Park to Petrov were admirable and touching. There was a lot of respect there. I also understand the fight for justice when it comes to Hillsborough, and Liverpool fans, as a united front, feeling they had to clear their name and their reputation./ I understand all of those things, completely, but it has to stop somewhere right?

Because it's a discussion I promised myself I'd stay out of. :laughing:

Hecklers are the scum of the earth though and when they interrupt your performance they get what's coming to them the good the bad and the ugly.

Hecklers happen. That is life. There is a way to deal with them that allows you to subvert the accusation and come out on top. Telling them they ought to be raped by five men is not the right way to handle that.

This being on top of a comment that in and of itself is horrendously inhumane and inconsiderate, whether you think there is a time and place for rape jokes or not.

Rape jokes are part of his normal material though. I have no idea why she was even at his show in the first place. He says a lot of shock type stuff like that anyways.

Defo. I actually signed the petition for the files to be released and the separate one for Kevin Williams.

Innit. She heckled and he kicked her head in with his reply. :cool:

Something similar happened at a Frankie Boyle show (admittedly he is an unfunny twat). He made a joke about disabled kids and some woman got uppity over it. What the fuck was she expecting?

I think that, as with everything, every use is different and depends on context, material, audience, etc. While I'm contextually-accepting of making rapists themselves the butt of a joke, or using the word "rape" in a joke where it is not the basis of the joke itself, I do believe that it's not ever comical to make victims the butt of the joke, and I acknowledge that these people have a hard enough time being taken seriously in the face of the real crime without the crime itself being made a comedic event.

I do try to be open-minded to the laughter-as-healing/not-making-words-taboo/context-is-everything/freedom-of-expression approach, but I would be lying if I said it didn't make me really uncomfortable to see people laughing at a horrific act, or the victims of the act that they are considerably less likely to ever experience/statistically more likely to perpetrate than I.

That's outside our ability to discuss since there's no information on it. All we can talk about is what we know happened, and there is nothing available to persuade me that he handled it any better than shamefully.

If you watch Tosh.0 You know the type of humor he uses and how borderline he can be.

There might not be something online for me to link you to it but that's still in the same arena of the type of jokes that he performs.

I don't, actually, but regardless of the particular incident, Daniel Tosh still stands as an example of poor-taste in use of such jokes, as whether she was in the crowd or not, he would have made the tasteless comment which incited the incident.

his standup specials are on youtube but I doubt you'd want to see them. He's known for that and consistently makes comments that can be viewed as tasteless. It's his thing.

Daniel Tosh is one of the best in the business right now...take things with a grain of salt, have a sense of humor.

And eat more babies and cheeseburgers please. :shycouch:

Yeah, and it's not like he tries to hide it. His use of tastelessly offensive humor is so blatant that anyone who would go to his show and be offended should probably have thought twice about paying to see a comedian that they obviously knew nothing about.