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Old 09-24-2013, 11:30 AM   #61 (permalink)
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This mindset perplexes me.
I don't know why.

The only reason the act is as long as it is because republicans kept adding stipulations to it during the negotiation phase of the act.

Also with people like the Koch brothers throwing their money behind huge misinformation campaigns it's no wonder that people already have a negative opinion of the Act before it has even started.


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Old 09-24-2013, 12:24 PM   #62 (permalink)
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It was a prototype in Massachusetts.

frankly, I can't explain why he wanted to give the backwater, no-nothings of this country healthcare. I'd say if you're not clever enough to figure out that healthcare can't really work in a market-system, then maybe you deserve to have your premiums jump 30% while insurance companies kick people off (increasing income and decreasing costs).
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Old 09-25-2013, 09:26 AM   #63 (permalink)
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As to those that wonder about racism, the whole Republican Tea Bagger movement is just the old John Birch Society. And the huge anti Obama feeling in the South (and the Republican Party is largely a southern party) is because we finally elected a black man. It doesn't really matter what he does. After all, the South used to be Democratic because of the policies of FDR. It became Republican as a response to the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Heck, we still have confederate statues down here.

Keep in mind what we call Obamacare is just the old Heritage Foundation health plan and pretty much what Republicans have espoused in the past. Liberal ideas such as single payer were off the table before we even started. There isn't even a public option.
The underlined is underlined because it is inaccurate to the point of hilarity. The South used to be Democratic because the Republican Party is the party of Lincoln. The rest of the post is of similar quality, but the underlined, oh man oh man - that's a real knee slapper.
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Old 09-25-2013, 10:22 AM   #64 (permalink)
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The South used to be Democratic because the Republican Party is the party of Lincoln.
This Republican Party isn't even the party of Goldwater much less Lincoln.

From the Wikipedia write up on LBJ:

Johnson signed the revised and stronger bill into law on July 2, 1964.[63] Legend has it that, as he put down his pen, Johnson told an aide, "We have lost the South for a generation", anticipating a coming backlash from Southern whites against Johnson's Democratic Party. Moreover, Richard Nixon politically counterattacked with the Southern Strategy where it would "secure" votes for the Republican Party by grabbing the advocates of segregation as well as most of the Southern Democrats.


We can all have our own opinions - but .... you can't piss on people's shoes and tell them its raining, and expect them to believe it.

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Old 09-25-2013, 01:23 PM   #65 (permalink)
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So, you say the South used to be Democratic because of FDR's economic policies, I point out that the Solid South got it's name due to it's historical antipathy to the Republican Party (meaning, predating FDR by decades and decades).... and you respond with, a quote from Wikipedia about LBJ?

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I think he's saying why the South stopped, and its almost certainly because of the Civil Rights Act.
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So, you say the South used to be Democratic because of FDR's economic policies, I point out that the Solid South got it's name due to it's historical antipathy to the Republican Party (meaning, predating FDR by decades and decades).... and you respond with, a quote from Wikipedia about LBJ?

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Actually you said more than that. The LBJ example illustrates exactly what I was saying about the current GOP. If you concede the Republican Southern Strategy and the migration of Dixiecrats and segregationist to the Republican Party, nuff said. We can move on to your "Solid South" observation.

But the "Solid South" you refer to started fraying in the 1800s. It wasn't all that solid with Hoover was it? It became pretty solid after the New Deal and things like social security, unemployment insurance, and farm subsidies. Agree?

I am not saying there isn't animosity for Lincoln in the South and amongst conservatives. Far from it. Go to a CPAC convention and listen to conservatives lecture about how Lincoln was a mass murderer. Those bozos are in your party now. It's actually part of what makes the new solid south so solid.

Perhaps to make the same point from a different direction, remember that Afro-Americans used to vote heavily Republican (when they could vote). When did that circumstance flip - wanna guess?

As I recall, Romney got 6% of the African-American vote. That's about 6% more than he deserved, IMHO. Party of Lincoln, indeed.
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Meanwhile back to the topic - suspect I will be unemployed next year. Looking forward to being able to get medical insurance but still hate insurance companies. We say thanks Barack ... and an advanced thanks to Hillary who will make sure it continues.
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