Prediction...... this election voter turnout will be less than the last two or three


I'm never votin again

I have never voted for a presidential election.

I only vote for local elections where I can get in the politicians face if they are doing ****ed up ****.

Cause Hilary and Bill were never in anyway in trouble for Whitewater. In a few years no one will give a **** about some boring scandal any more than anyone gives a **** about Whitewater. And if worst comes to worst all Christie needs to do is be caught in bed with some eighteen year old underwear model and everyone will love him again.

Politics don't work like that though, It is less hurtful to be in a scandal while in office than it is prior to running for it.

People are bringing up the Bengahzi situation for Hilary but no one gives a **** about Whitewater anymore.

So she has that as a hurdle to get over.

And nobody really gives a **** about Benghazi either. Republicans like to scream about it, but the general public is yawning. Unless there's a blow job involved then their attention span doesn't last for more than a couple weeks at most.

And it's, what, two years till the next presidential election? This scandal is gonna be ancient history by the time he starts campaigning.

I highly doubt it. When the campaign starts up that's when the muckracking and mud slinging will happen even more than now and they will dig up all the dirt they can on each other.

Another political tactic to refresh the public about all the shady scandals that happened with a candidate.

Not an old scandal. People already known they don't care about Benghazi or this whole thing with Christie and they're gonna care even less two years from now.

Where are you even getting this information that people don't care?

It's still all over the news and on those political pundit shows.

Keywords "political pundits". The general public could give a **** what Rush Limbaugh or Rachael Maddow think. They act like it's part of some national discussion but it's really only them and the minority of people who follow them discussing it. Cause if they didn't have something to bitch about they wouldn't have a job. Do you hear any outcry from anyone about Benghazi who didn't already think Obama was a socialist or a muslim? No. Because nobody cares.

yeah but during the election time is when those attack ads start popping up and that's when the rest of the public gets interested or they try to pretend they are interested so that they can understand what everyone else is talking about.

As I've already said, nobody cares about old scandals. You live in New York right? So did anyone care about Whitewater or Monica Lewinsky when Hilary ran for office? And I mean as in actually caring and not just mentioning it.

This is going to go nowhere because there is no way to measure how many people actually cared or not. You go ahead and keep choosing to feel like no one cares just because you don't and I will continue to keep choosing to believe that people do care.

People actually did bring back up the Monica situation but there is no way to tell if that affected whether or not she lost against Obama because of it.

This is going to go nowhere because you don't like Christie because he's a Republican.

No. I don't like Christie because he risked the lives of many people by shutting down a bridge to create traffic because the mayor of a town didn't want to support him. I couldn't care less that he is Republican.

I'd like to see this election come down to Bernie vs Trump.

Both are outsiders in their own parties, and both are forcing their respective parties to reevaluate their stances more than they've ever had to before.

Plus, I just don't want to see another Bush or Clinton establishment figure getting picked again.

What does this even mean? Neither of them will get past Super Tuesday and in all likelihood they won't even get that far.

don't lean too hard on that conventional wisdom, joe

Trump is forcing the Republicans to re-evaluate their stances on illegal immigration, a topic many of them are soft on.

Bernie is introducing more socialist rhetoric into the Democratic race, more so than any other candidate on the left at this point, and is starting to take the attention away from the Dems hand picked favorite, Hillary.

Essentially, both are upsetting the establishment figures within each party, and both have the poll numbers to back it up, even though Bernie still has some catching up to do with Hillary. People are tired of the party favorites getting all the attention, and are turning it to other candidates.

I've never voted due to a strong distrust of the lobbyists behind the scene of every candidate, but I might actually go for Trump if he makes it to the end. Chaos. Utter chaos, let's hit that reset button,

say what now

yea honestly at this point i feel like i want trump to be president just so i 1) i can be right and rub it in chula's face and 2) cause regardless of whether he is great or he sucks or he is the new fuhrer leading america to its hellish dystopian semi-fascist police state future, at least it will be interesting whenever the president gives a speech

i'm not an obamahater but tbh i don't tune in for anything that guy says... he's articulate but dull as all hell. and he speaks so slowly and calmly all the time. he's like bill cosby without the charisma and daterape skills

Yeah, whatever happened to the charismatic presidential candidate?

And I'd definitely give him a troll vote. I don't see this country pulling out of its slump anytime soon, so might as well just treat the election process as a joke. Who knows? Maybe people might become so ashamed of their voting actions that they actually changed their basic approach to deciding between candidates... for a couple elections at least.

i feel like the reason trump refuses to 'swear not to run as a 3rd party candidate,' even though he indicates that he has no intention of doing so, is to send a subliminal coercive threat to the republican establishment. basically the establishment fears that he might just rile up the far right and then lose the general election for them against hillary by damaging the more moderate candidate that they choose to support with his smear tactics.

so they are weary of supporting him... they want him to swear allegiance to 'whoever wins the primaries', i.e. they want to use him as a sort of expendable martyr for bringing up certain talking points that might be a bit too risky for say a bush or a rubio to broach, cause stirring up said sentiments strengthens their base. but then if/when he doesn't win they want him to stand down and support their guy. and he's basically giving non-answers to that question each time they ask him as a hint like hey... you realize i have a cult like following right, and i can ralph nader the **** out of you with a 3rd party campaign... but i'd rather do it as a republican, so it's time to hop aboard the trump train or get left in the dust, losers..

They're soft in the sense that the party has candidates like Marco Rubio who have openly advocated giving amnesty to illegal immigrants already in the country. Jeb Bush is this way about amnesty as well.

The party has slowly been caving in to the Democrats on this issue.

Every time a candidate is accused of supporting amnesty, it's usually the product of another candidate who thinks said amnesty advocator's stance being less extremist than 'kill all the Mexicans'. Not too sure about Rubio's position on the subject though, but I'm glad his dad was a down to earth American like me (and not some derned deceptive politician) and that he hates Obamacare as much as I do. I mean if it had Osama in the name then it should pretty much go **** itself imo. I'm glad when we finally get a republican in offfice, this nonsense about not having an untimely death will die out.

So, I'm going to go ahead and say that while my ideal candidate would be Joe Biden, I support Hillary Clinton in her bid for the presidency 100%. People who think this election doesn't matter need to understand that Scott Walker's anti-union tactics will perforate and be embedded within the GOP for years unless there is a resounding Democratic victory.

I found it funny due to irony.

strawman alert!

Sarcasm? (my meter is broken)

It was speculation, get it right.

Quite obviously. I don't give two ****s about their pops and I thought it was stupid that they were railing on it. I don't particularly care about Obamacare, I could take it or leave it, but it wasn't uncommon for him to go on some tangent so he could end his sentence with 'and repeal Obamacare.'

actually it was a hyperbolic misinterpretation of an opposing talking point for the purposes of discrediting said argument

otherwise known as a strawman argument.

Whatever you want to tell yourself.

Trump is starting to slip in the polls with Carson and Fiorina coming up close behind, and the media is rejoicing.

there's no way that fiorina broad takes the republican nomination

she looks like a straight up reptilian. only a matter of time before her human mask falls off

Anyone else notice that not one of the presidental candidates want the US to give up its role as world police? Not even Bernie Sanders suggests cutting back on the national defense budget, or ending the support to Israel.

yea well that's a stupid thing to campaign on anyway. ron paul tried it and nobody gives a **** about him anymore. both him and his goofy barber-shop quartet looking son can go jump in a lake, as far as i'm concerned!

plus, sanders is a jew. dude is not going to turn his back on his zionist overlords like that.

Where does Bernie Sanders, the Jewish candidate for president, stand on Israel? - Diaspora - Jerusalem Post

Lol what does this even mean? Yes "the media" is one monolithic entity with one view, and that view is it dislikes one crazy right-wing Republican candidate who's never held political office, but likes two other crazy right-wing Republican candidates who have never held political office and have broadly the same views as the first guy on almost every issue. Oh, and none of the three are going to win the nomination and every serious journalist knows it.
If you look at all the stuff Sanders has written and said, before and during his Presidential campaign, it should be really really clear that there are very few people in Congress who are as strongly in favor of cutting the military budget as he is. He's not great on Israel, but he probably is better than any other candidate in the race (that said, supporting apartheid is supporting apartheid, even if you're only sort of supporting apartheid).

I'm not really a supporter of his, but it's just wrong to say he doesn't want to cut the military/defense budget.

it doesn't matter... sanders won't get the nomination anyway. it's clearly going to hillary... who is a war hawk... one of her only redeeming qualities. people who think we're better off abandoning our imperial interests are dumb as **** tbh.