There's already too many people on that planet anyway so really there's no need to make more.
Also I know this may sound nasty,but I know many people who should have been sterilized before they got children. It's not good to have any children if you,really can't take care of them and all that stuff.
Mr. Charlie
11-19-2013 10:22 PM
We were all children once!
Taxman
11-19-2013 10:29 PM
Yes, but it's not good for anyone if someone who is not able to take care of her/his child gets one. It's not good for the child and it's not good for his/her.
But usually those ones who cannot take care of their children are the ones who have most of them
Mr. Charlie
11-19-2013 10:34 PM
It does seem that way. And we will soon reach breaking point population wise. Maybe what China is doing (one child per couple) is the answer? But their 'solution' will eventually lead to the dangerous position where the taxes of a single working person have to support two elderly people.
Taxman
11-19-2013 10:56 PM
Also in China they have got one problem that is caused by their one child per couple- law.
They have got too many males since everyone wants a boy and aborts girls and in a long run that don't seem good either. But it's also understandable, when one thinks about their male-centered culture.
SATCHMO
11-19-2013 11:12 PM
I have a child and I obviously don't regret her for a second, but still I think it's admirable, not to mention responsible for you to take such a position. I don't quite understand why you're subjected to harsh judgement and criticism for choosing not to procreate. sure It defies societal convention, but I think societal convention needs to catch up with the reality of human overpopulation. it really isn't an adjunct issue.
Taxman
11-19-2013 11:20 PM
And I have nothing against those ones who have children if they take good care of them. If someone wants a child, then gets it, and loves him/her and helps him/her to grow up to be good man, that's allright.
But really,if you don't want children, nowadays you don't have to get one and I think it's great.
ladyislingering
11-20-2013 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by SATCHMO
(Post 1386485)
I have a child and I obviously don't regret her for a second, but still I think it's admirable, not to mention responsible for you to take such a position. I don't quite understand why you're subjected to harsh judgement and criticism for choosing not to procreate. sure It defies societal convention, but I think societal convention needs to catch up with the reality of human overpopulation. it really isn't an adjunct issue.
The older I get and the more I experience, the more I've realized that I'm just not suited for the parent role. I hardly have patience for the undisciplined, spoiled brats that I see at work every day. Hell, I hardly have patience for grown adults. I've taken to nurturing the loves of my life, but I couldn't care for something entirely helpless without worrying that I'm somehow moulding them into a bad person or something.
Furthermore I feel it's more responsible to not risk having a kid who's blind (it runs in both of us) or very sick, especially knowing that I'd never be able to afford the essential care for a healthy pregnancy or anything like that. Kids just don't suit up with my life.
(And they really, really freak me out.)
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Originally Posted by Taxman
(Post 1386495)
And I have nothing against those ones who have children if they take good care of them. If someone wants a child, then gets it, and loves him/her and helps him/her to grow up to be good man, that's allright.
But really,if you don't want children, nowadays you don't have to get one and I think it's great.
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Janszoon
11-20-2013 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyislingering
(Post 1386384)
Think about it: why do people have children? Most of the time it's because that's what they think they're "supposed to do". People follow this ridiculous recipe for the "perfect" life, and they lose themselves in it.
Most people have children because it's a deeply embedded instinct to do so. If it wasn't, our species wouldn't have survived as long as it has. A lot of people also find it to be the most fulfilling aspect of their lives. And there's actually a practical reason as well: to have someone who will look out for you and be your advocate when you're elderly. Many times, unfortunately, people without children end up neglected and extremely isolated in their old age. I'm not for having kids or against having kids by the way, just pointing out a few reasons why people do.
djchameleon
11-20-2013 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyislingering
(Post 1386384)
As long as I've been alive, I've never had a desire to be around children. I've never wanted one of my own, and I've never been able to find any reason why it would be a logical decision for me (or anyone).
Usually when people find out about this, they're aghast. They're so offended by a woman in charge of her body, making her own decisions about what she wants or doesn't want to do with it. They can't believe what they're hearing. I get a lot of hate for my lifestyle, and it surprises me. The love of my life has the same beliefs I do about the childfree life: it's fabulous, rewarding, and what we'll keep on doing forever. Neither of us want children, and here's why I believe a lot of people could benefit from swearing off the social pressure of having children.
Think about it: why do people have children? Most of the time it's because that's what they think they're "supposed to do". People follow this ridiculous recipe for the "perfect" life, and they lose themselves in it.
First I'll discuss the things that we enjoy as a childfree couple, then I'll let you in on my personal freedoms and pleasures that would be robbed from me if I made the mistake of having a child.
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I don't hate or look down on people who have children if they genuinely love them and are able to take care of them to the best of their ability. I just don't want to be one of them.
As a childfree couple, we are able to:
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Buy nice things for each other, and fill our apartment with nice things without having to worry about child-proofing.
Sleep in on our days off, sleep early, sleep late. Sleep whenever it's convenient. God, we love our sleep. The only thing either of us will wake up for in the middle of the night is a long piss, maximum of a minute or two, and we're back to sleep. Can't do that with screaming gremlins.
Save a ton of money on everything because we don't have to buy things for children. When we get our cats, it'll still be easy. Cat food is less than 75 cents per can, and you can buy kibble in giant bags. It's like giving up a weekly Starbucks run. It's nothin'. And cat litter is infinitely cheaper than baby diapers or any other ridiculous thing those smelly ingrates require.
Uninterrupted sex. And I have a nice figure that will never be destroyed by childbearing. I'll never have a cavernous vagina, or a flabby body for the vain hope of letting forth my genetics, creating a human that will hate me when they're 12. Fuck that!
Dual income, and we don't have to worry about planning our days around kids. We can both work as much as we please, spend our days off however we want, and enjoy ourselves.
Minimal chores, and the grossest it gets is a mildly dirty toilet. No diaper changing, no sponging up projectile vomit (at least when cats vomit, it doesn't get everywhere), no dirty face to wipe off, no food or boogers or poop smeared on walls. We only have to take out the trash once a week.
Endless time to surf the internet or relax together however we please.
There are many more that I'm possibly forgetting, but our life is truly beautiful because we don't have any kids, and never will.
Some of the little things I enjoy as a child-free woman:
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Taking as much time as I like to put on make-up, fix my hair, choose the right outfit, etc. I don't have to worry about keeping an eye on a child, or dressing a child. I can take my time and work on myself.
My record collection, and the fact that I can leave my phonograph unattended and not have to worry about some nasty little brat ruining the record or the machine.
I can maintain ass-length hair and not have it pulled or messed by a child.
I can have dozens of candles all around the apartment. It's much easier to cat-proof than to child-proof your candle burning zones. Cats don't have thumbs.
I can devote all of my attention to the one I love. He'll never be neglected in any way (as I'm sure many fathers are - mom doesn't have time for baby and dad).
I don't need to buy health insurance. I don't have it, and I don't feel I need it. If I had a kid, I'd have to pay for all of that shit. No thanks.
And that's just the beginning of how rewarding it is to be child-free.
Now for the poll: do you see a necessity in breeding?
Personally, I want to have my own children one day. I want to pass on my genes. Yes, adoption is ideal but I'd love to have a child that was created by me and shares the same blood as me. I'm getting to that stage in life where I only have five years left to have a kid or else I won't and then I'll end up being a crazy cat lady.
There are studies which I don't feel like looking up right now that shows that people are waiting longer to become parents than previous generations. I think that is a really good thing because you do have to be in a certain mindset and it is excellent to have job security to be able to provide for your child. I know there are accidental births that happen and people end up keeping them while raising them to be perfectly fine. There are also people on the other side of the coin that has no business raising children and should have had an abortion or given their kid up for adoption.
You don't need to buy health insurance but you should. You never know when something bad will happen to you and then you aren't covered because you thing you are invincible. That's the problem with our generation the millennials we aren't buying insurance because we think we don't need it. If I wasn't around covered I would buy insurance to help fund the ACA but that's whole other topic which I should update since I created that thread.
Also when you have a child you are saying you wouldn't love it and devote your attention to it? love isn't something that can only be focused on one person and that's it. You love your cats don't you. The same thing applies to children.
Child proofing candles is so simple. Your post sounds like a list of excuses to try to justify why you don't want children but they are really easy fixes. Some of your excuses are fine and I understand them but others are just straight up silly.
Excellent figure that wasn't destroyed by kids. Another excuse of yours that doesn't really hold water.
At the end of the day, I don't blame you for not wanting to have children and live a child-free life but I just wanted to counter some silly points you were making.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Charlie
(Post 1386403)
No desire to have kids. Not currently anyway. But who knows, people change. Also, I'm not sure I'd make a very good father. All those rules to set out. Don't like rules.
Most people say that. They don't think they will make a good father/mother until they have one and then they wing it as they go and end up becoming the father/mother that they NEED to be for their child.
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Originally Posted by ladyislingering
(Post 1386502)
Furthermore I feel it's more responsible to not risk having a kid who's blind (it runs in both of us) or very sick, especially knowing that I'd never be able to afford the essential care for a healthy pregnancy or anything like that. Kids just don't suit up with my life.
I know you don't want to have children but if you did. Technology has advanced so you could get tested to find out the exact percentages of you having a child that is born blind or with whatever genetic disorder that you are worried about. I feel like that's not even a big deal.
