Wow man u got tough suddenly lol. I believe appropriate spanking works great. Also of course isn't a replacement for modelin or positive reinforcement

I was wonderin what happened to arya lol

Yah that post wasn't even to you

I just realized that might've been the case, my bad but my point stands:

The potential negative outcomes of physical punishment outweigh the temporary benefits. It's really not a matter of belief. You're better off disciplining them by taking something they enjoy away and then giving it back after they've learned their lesson.

And I'm tellin you I've seen it work in moderation first hand. Nothin wrong with a lil grocery store spankin. The stats are misleadin to say the least pretty much to the point of pointless

Agreed. Sure, it makes them scream even louder, but with conditioning they'll learn how to behave.

Spankings are proper punishment, but I've seen customers go absolutely ape**** on their kids, and that's horrible. I actually almost called the police on a customer once because she pushed her kid down inside a shopping cart and they smashed their face on the side rails. Discipline is OK, but there's a fine line between discipline and abuse.

People that beat their kids as oppose to spanking are the worse. Also, you should never spank a kid when you are mad because you will tend to go overboard. I agree with spanking but would never do it in public. People are quick to call CPS on you for a light spanking. While others stand by watching kids get pushed face down into carts and won't even call the police.

Recent studies suggest that IQ tests ain't really an accurate indication of one's intellignce - merely a good indication of how well one can complete an IQ test, so they ain't a good way of deciding who should and shouldn't have kids. Makes sense that the most complex object in the universe known to man cannot be gauged by a silly test.

As for who should have kids. Whoever wants them. Stupid couples can have clever kids. Clever couples can have stupid kids. Nature has her own ways.

Not only that but how well do they taken into account peoples social skills and street smarts. Id rather have those two than raw intelligence. I think it would help me be a happier person.

I was working for a shitty corporation at the time and could have lost my job for meddling - this happened at my register btw (even though it tore at every fiber of my being and I still regret it).

Yeah, there are many levels of intelligence - emotional, physical, intuitive, social, and so on.

Honestly, it all comes down to this. If you want kids, great, nobody should give you **** about it. If you don't want kids, great, nobody should still give you **** about it. I'm finding that there are more people willing to tell a person who doesn't want kids that they're making a mistake than to tell a person who wants a kid that they need to think about it first.

Exactly.

And there's also a lot of people that think that just because you don't want kids, you must hate them or something. (We don't hate 'em - we just don't want to be around them forever.)

It is pretty equal both ways in my experience. I'm sorry for you finding it more weighted on one side than the other but that's not a general thing. With more and more people being child-less/free they have been giving people that have kids/want them grief for some stupid reason. It's not even any of their business.

Also, I found the perfect pic for you Lady :P

I can totally see you doing this.

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/...02736996_n.jpg

I nominate this thread for stupid thread of the millennium, and even if a stupider one spawns out of someones stupidity, this one still must remain as a stupid runner up.

Spanking Your Children = No. Physical harm to anyone will only foster deep resentment. There is no rebuttal on this so shut the **** up.

Having Kids = Whatever the **** you think you want to do with your selfish little life is up to you, but the simple fact remains that without reproduction the human race would no longer exist. So go ahead. Enjoy your meaningless existence.

Yeah, I'm still drunk from Tuesday.

Yeah no ****. BTW you don't need an education to have a high IQ. I know some really simple ****ers who have been going to school their whole life and they couldn't think their way out of a wet paper bag.

So choosing not to have a child means your life will be meaningless? Okay.

I'm a bitter old man.

Actually, I really don't care one way or the other. That was me being ****ty from having a ****ty morning.

Things aren't looking any better so I should just stay out for a while.

I do think your life has more meaning with a kid

Stand by what I said there's nothin wrong with some light spankin. Its a useful parentin tool

Honestly If I wasn't spanked as a kid I would have been even worse off then the cretin I was to begin with.

I do not however believe that having a kid brings more meaning to your life. Perhaps it gives you more purpose, however that is also debatable. It certainly does bring you great responsibility, which some people are incapable of.

We already have a thread for spanking. It's in this same subforum actually. You can direct any further comments on spanking there.

K cool

HAWT. :p:

There's also a thread for that kind of spanking :tramp:

I really want a kid. I'm not sure why that needs to be explained.

There should be no explanation. Its just inherent in your blood. Passing your lineage on is a very natural thought. How does BD feel about it? :shycouch:

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http://www.musicbanter.com/1387005-post33.html

I'm glad that she feels the exact same way :love:

I think we could have some ****ing sexy kids!

Its what every great parent aspires too. :p:

Your point? One person out of everyone else in the thread.

I nominate this post as ignorant post of the millennium, and if an even more ignorant one spawns out of someone's disgracefully programmed male privilege, this one still must remain as an ignorant runner up.

This is a prime example of the idiocy I deal with by hateful, bitter people who have already ruined their lives in some way and wish the same on me. Not everyone on this planet right now needs to have children. There's already plenty of them waiting in abusive situations, adoption centers, and amish communities where people have 13 of them for whatever reason. There are so many people on the face of this planet that if even a fraction of them decided to reproduce, there would still be people.

I'm pretty sure the child-free aren't going to destroy humanity. If you honestly think that would ever happen, you have an entirely skewed vision of human behavior (and science).

Lastly, my existence is certainly not meaningless. It would be meaningless if I decided to live a life of servitude to a child I never wanted, and that's the truth. I enjoy my life. I plan to continue enjoying my life without children. Why that is so offensive to you (or anyone) could possibly be explained by pronatalist views forced on you from your childhood, or the fact that you're a heterosexual white man who probably expects the woman in your life to make you a baby because your genetics are so superior to everyone else's, that they need to survive for another generation OR SO HELP YOU GAWD, THAT WOMAN IS WORTHLESS!

I think maybe you need to drink more.

I think he's just pointing out that there is hatred toward the child-free, and it's so ridiculous and hateful (though people are more inclined to spew attacks over the internet - they usually just make snarky self-indulgent comments in person) that it really makes you wonder where humanity is heading.

In response to what you said about it being equal, his post pretty much backs up my point.

Backs up your point of what exactly? I'm saying there is hatred on both sides that is why it is equal.

Plankton has a daughter, so he tells those that don't want kids that they're wasting their life and should have a child.

There are far more people who are negative against those who don't want kids, especially if they've had kids. 10% of the time a person who has a kid will tell you that it's ok not to have kids and you don't have to try. 90% of the time, they will tell you that you don't know what you're talking about. It is most certainly not equal.

There are some child-free people that are seriously vicious toward people who have children, but there are more people with children who are rude and evil towards those who don't want them.

Here's how pronatalists sound to the child-free (and believe me, we have heard it all, and it's always annoying and unwanted).

http://www.kidfreeandlovinit.com/Kid...24-12color.jpg

Instead of saying things like "holy shit, shut the hell up, you're getting dumber by the second", we just have to be firm and stand strong against ignorance (which is bountiful).

Here's some classic zingers I've heard from parents:

(This is probably the weirdest/dumbest!) Who will make you a birthday cake?

I will, bitch.

You're still young, you'll change your mind!

This one pisses me off every time. I'm almost 25, I've never had a desire for children, I don't believe in the "biological clock" (who the hell even says that stupid crap?) and I'm certainly not below you in any way, just because you managed to figure out how your reproductive organs work.

And of course there's the classic "I'm better than you - you can tell by the SUV-sized stroller I've placed in your way and my 3 screaming kids who sound like lost relatives of pterodactyls" sneer.

I've never said to a parent "wow, what if you never had children? Just think of the possibilities!" or "I bet you regret that!" but they never hesitate to hate on the child-free.

I've never seen so much self justification in one topic before. You don't have to justify your choices to anyone here but its obvious you do to yourselves so good luck

People will always provide self justification due to the fact that there is a lot of hate toward both sides of the spectrum on this topic (not here specifically, but in general). If we're not allow to justify our reasoning, what's the point of talking about it?

Honestly i've never encountered anyone snotty towards my option of not having kids. They harp about oh you'd be such a good father. And I say lucky for me I don't have to find out now do I. I always say I love kids, but I love it more when they go home at the end of the day.

I say some pretty stupid **** sometimes.

Hopefully people can look past this and maybe see that I don't really feel that way about the topic at hand. Was just in a fight with the GF this morning, and nursing a huge hangover. Cloudy judgment at best. Rage driven. I don't get angry too often, and when I do I tend to go overboard.

What you do with your life is none of my business, and it's weak minded for me to try to tell anyone otherwise. Ki and Lady, you two are a couple of my favorite people here and it was wrong of me to attack something you're so passionate about. This will be twice in one week where I find myself apologizing, but I hope you'll accept a humble one from me.

There have been quite few times where I've typed something but never got farther than that. This was one of those times where I should have never clicked the "Post" button.