The worst case ever of child abuse by a musician in modern times?

midnight rain · 12-20-2013, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

True enough, that I don´t know anything about you, Tuna - in fact, although I´ve seen you around on MB, I tend to get you mixed up with Tumor.

On reflection, I think perhaps I over-reacted to a comment that struck me as sounding worse than you probably intended it to sound. You are of course entitled to read what you like - and if you are dipping into a lot of bizarre material, I hope you come to a balanced assessment of it.

Glad to see we've come to an understanding, and I'm happy to make your acquaintance.

Maybe I was a bit too callous with my original response, I like to think I'm well-balanced enough - and have my moral compass in the right place - such that being subjected to that sort of material will open my eyes up to other views without negatively influencing my lens of the world in process. I don't believe shunning the past evils of the world will make them disappear, I'm more about coming to terms with, understanding, and learning from them. But again, that's just my opinion. *steps off soapbox*

Trollheart · 12-20-2013, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuna

You're the same poster who worked to get hhbh's journal shut down simply cause you didn't like the subject matter right? .

No. Bull**** actually. You can believe that if you want. I certainly did not like HHBH's journal --- I thought it was offensive in the extreme and written as if by a six-month old --- but I wanted it closed because he maliciously and obscenely slandered me in it. A personal attack, and those are not allowed. FYI it was the mods' decision to shut down his journal; I doubt I have such sway with them that they would listen to me in such a case, however I did NOT go out of my way to ask for it to be shut down, only in the loosest way, commenting that it was terrible and was this the sort of thing we wanted to see in the section?

See? Once again, you've avoided any of my points trying to get your own (incorrect) one across. Why don't you talk to Jansz, Vanilla, Urban or any mod and ask why that journal was shut down? I'd be amazed if they told you it was because I asked for it to be. People can write what they like, I can also complain about it, but to say I actively campaigned to have his journal shut down is stretching the facts to total breaking point. I understand that is suits your view of me, but there's just one problem: it's wrong.

And you may have your opinion on LP, but guess what? So can I. If I decide to burn their CDs as I said that's my decision, my right and I'm not in any way, nor was I, advocating that everyone follow my example. Why don't you try addressing my points, or better still, just accept that I have my way of reacting to this, you have yours and stop derailing the thread. I think we'd all be a lot happier that way. I know I would. Please let us get back on track.

Trollheart · 12-20-2013, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus

This guy had plans on raping his as-yet unborn child

Man arrested for child porn before he could make good on... | www.kirotv.com

(Raises gun to head) I did not think it possible, but now there's someone whose evil actually exceeds that of Watkins? Is it just time to erase the human race and reboot, redo from start? This kind of ... I really can't think of another name for it, but evil. Maybe Evil with a capital E ... just makes me sick to the stomach and wonder how such vileness exists in human beings. Surely the extremest of punishments, castration, in this case has to be something considered?

Mr. Charlie · 12-20-2013, 09:41 PM

Castration? The guy's sick. He needs treatment, not mutilation. Punishing people doesn't undo their crimes.

LennyComa · 12-20-2013, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Charlie

Castration? The guy's sick. He needs treatment, not mutilation. Punishing people doesn't undo their crimes.

Chemical Castration has found to reduce reoffending. basically killing off the sex drive.
It has been used in some UK courts for paedophiles as part of their sentence.

Sequoioideae · 12-20-2013, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by trollheart

no. Bull**** actually. You can believe that if you want. I certainly did not like hhbh's journal --- i thought it was offensive in the extreme and written as if by a six-month old --- but i wanted it closed because he maliciously and obscenely slandered me in it. A personal attack, and those are not allowed. Fyi it was the mods' decision to shut down his journal; i doubt i have such sway with them that they would listen to me in such a case, however i did not go out of my way to ask for it to be shut down, only in the loosest way, commenting that it was terrible and was this the sort of thing we wanted to see in the section?

See? Once again, you've avoided any of my points trying to get your own (incorrect) one across. Why don't you talk to jansz, vanilla, urban or any mod and ask why that journal was shut down? I'd be amazed if they told you it was because i asked for it to be. People can write what they like, i can also complain about it, but to say i actively campaigned to have his journal shut down is stretching the facts to total breaking point. I understand that is suits your view of me, but there's just one problem: It's wrong.

And you may have your opinion on lp, but guess what? So can i. If i decide to burn their cds as i said that's my decision, my right and i'm not in any way, nor was i, advocating that everyone follow my example. Why don't you try addressing my points, or better still, just accept that i have my way of reacting to this, you have yours and stop derailing the thread. I think we'd all be a lot happier that way. I know i would. Please let us get back on track.

lol

Grogsy · 12-20-2013, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LennyComa

Chemical Castration has found to reduce reoffending. basically killing off the sex drive.
It has been used in some UK courts for paedophiles as part of their sentence.

I don't know why they don't do that more often.

Neapolitan · 12-21-2013, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

True enough, that I don´t know anything about you, Tuna - in fact, although I´ve seen you around on MB, I tend to get you mixed up with Tumor.

On reflection, I think perhaps I over-reacted to a comment that struck me as sounding worse than you probably intended it to sound. You are of course entitled to read what you like - and if you are dipping into a lot of bizarre material, I hope you come to a balanced assessment of it.

No, don't beat yourself up over your reaction. Many times people make comments what they think are pithy but end up being either elliptical or terse. If they made it clear from the start it would avoid any misunderstanding.

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Originally Posted by butthead aka 216

Its all part of the choices that you make. Even when you think you're right you have to give to take

What's that suppose to mean? How does that relate to anything that was said before?

midnight rain · 12-21-2013, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

And you may have your opinion on LP, but guess what? So can I. If I decide to burn their CDs as I said that's my decision, my right and I'm not in any way, nor was I, advocating that everyone follow my example. Why don't you try addressing my points, or better still, just accept that I have my way of reacting to this, you have yours and stop derailing the thread. I think we'd all be a lot happier that way. I know I would. Please let us get back on track.

Fair enough. I was only giving my view on your reaction, is that not allowed?

As for your points, #2 you are right on. I spoke on other people's behalf even though I was only expression my own opinion. The other two I still don't agree with, as my original point was about using immoral actions committed by the creator to dismiss a work of art vs. judging it on it's own merits. And I didn't personally attack you so much as one facet of your attitude, but that might just be playing semantics

Let's chalk it up to incompatible personalities and move on, sorry for derailing the thread.

djchameleon · 12-21-2013, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

What's that suppose to mean? How does that relate to anything that was said before?

lyrics from one of their songs.

Man, I have been missing out with this thread.

I tried listening to one of their newer albums(Weapons) and I guess they wanted to go in a different direction than Start Something but I just didn't like it. I could still listen to Start Something on repeat though.

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Mr. Charlie Shoo Thoughts Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: These Mountains Posts: 2,308	Castration? The guy's sick. He needs treatment, not mutilation. Punishing people doesn't undo their crimes.