The worst case ever of child abuse by a musician in modern times?
 

Who could believe, or indeed stomach, this?

BBC News - Lostprophets' Ian Watkins sentenced to 35 years over child sex offences

Bastard got everything he deserved. Jesus ****ing Christ!

And for those of you who ask, will I now stick to what I said about how I view music created by people guilty of such heinous crimes, yes: I have deleted their music from my PC, erased the review I did of their album in my journal and I will be dumping the CD.

Anyone who thinks that's over the top has not yet read the article. An evil man of pretty much unparalleled depravity. May he burn in Hell and have the worst possible time in prison. Bastard. And **** those excuses for mothers too. God! How are there such people in this world??? :mad: :mad: :mad:

He is indeed a horrible human being, but I'm not sure I agree with you about deleting the band's music. He's not the only member of the band and the rest of the band had no involvement in his crimes and were just as horrified as we are about him crimes. In some ways they're victims as well.

They have released the sentencing transcripts from the Judge to the Scumbag's. This is some uneasy reading, I doubt even the hard core sympathizer with the douche would support this.... http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resource...and-others.pdf

I dont agree with boycotting the music either, if its something you're in to. The other members of the band shouldnt have their names or the name of the band dragged through the mud because of the actions of this sick ****.

I unfortunately have also already read that transcript from his sentencing, and it is actually rather distressing. If you dont want to know the graphic details of exactly what he was charged with then dont read it. And no, that isnt a disguised "challenge", just pointing out that it outlines very specific details, the likes of which a lot of the media arent reporting.

Thirty-five years? I'm sure there are drug dealers doing more time. That's garbage.

Yeah I don't believe this at all. There have been rumours about his "proclivities" for years and it was well known that he took underage girls as his groupies (14-16 yr olds). They're not victims and it's really rather disgusting that you would even say such a silly thing. How could they just /not/ know?

I agree with Trollheart's deleting of their music tbh

I agree. A giant trebuchet flinging him into outer space seems like it might have been more appropriate.

I'd imagine they could not know in the same way that other people have not known things in the past. Just because you're in a band with someone doesn't mean you know everything about them.

While I acknowledge what you're saying about supposed rumours that have been circulating for some time before his arrest, and some accounts of fans allegedly reporting him to the police prior to his eventual arrest, I don't think you can state that his band members are absolutely not victims and definitely "in on it" in some way.

I've read the details of every charge brought to him and every piece of evidence given to support them. I can't possibly know whether his bandmates knew he was sleeping with underage girls and groupies, and the girl who came forward who said she lost her virginity to him was 16, which is underage there but not here, but even if they ever had any kind of bad feeling about him I really dont think the mind would ever jump to the conclusions of exactly the extent of what he was doing. I've personally never read anything like it, and I won't soon forget it. It'll stay with me.

All of the charges brought to him in court, after reading the details, are of things he was doing in private conversations, Skype chats, texts and meetings and not necessarily linked to his band in any way other than these girls appear to have been fans of his that he has used to manipulate them. Unless he was in constant contact with these women while at shows, on tour, or in the studio, I don't see why it's so difficult to believe that this side of his life was something he indulged in privately, away from his family, his friends and his band mates.

I don't see any difference between assuming that his bandmates knew about what he was up to, and assuming that his family also knew, as well as the family and friends of every peadophile.

Guys, I thought about it and yes that came to mind the rest of the band shouldn't suffer but a) I was never a huge LP fan, like one or two tracks but that's it so it's not like I'm dumping a huge music collection or going against someone I've loved for years and b) I'd have to keep hearing his voice on the record, which is not something I'm prepared to listen to any more.

Anyhow, that's my decision and I've made it. I know some people will think it's a "knee-jerk" reaction but there it is, that's how it affects me and that's how I feel.

Back around 1990 I had a band with my at-the-time GF and a few friends, including a percussionist (congas, bongos, sundry shakers) that we all loved. He always made everybody feel better about themselves, he just had this magnificent spirit that everyone was attracted to. He had a GF and two kids, and was a psychologist for a school for troubled, runaway high school age kids. Anyway, we had the band and we recorded some songs in 1990. By the end of that year my GF finally came to her senses and realized she could do a lot better than me (although we remained friends) and the band broke up.

As the 90's became the 00's the conga guy had really fallen apart. He started drinking heavily, lost his GF, lost his job, my ex was really magnanimous when it came to helping people and she puf him up for a time in a kinda mother-in-law type second little addition on her property, with the understanding that he would get himself back on his feet. She also had her sister and two young kids (around 5-8 I think) living with her.

The guy never got better and in fact was drinking harder. After several months of this, my ex caught that SOB molesting the older daughter, her niece. AFAIK he is still in jail for that, although I think it more likely that he was released as a registered sex offender (or back in jail for re-offending). I dunno, I won't give the guy two shits of my life or interest in any way shape or form.

The reason I bring this up is those recordings. Yes, I still have those recordings and I still occasionally listen to them and I'm still proud of them. But without question I bristle when I hear those congas. But I love the other three people that were in that band (I've completely lost touch with all three of them though, the last I've seen of any of them was in '07 when I took the guitarist to an Over Ths Rhine show in Portland), so I will always cherish those recordings. I just wish I could crawl into them and beat the conga player senseless.

The deleting-the-music aspect of Trollheart's post made me think of that.

I really am hating the implications that drug addiction is in anyway connected to paedophilia w/ all the coverage of this trial

I've been an addict since I was 15 yrs old and I've never molested anyone or thought about being a babyfucker like...
I have done some questionable things under the influence but never to someone who wasn't consenting.

like I'm not saying you're saying that Paul but I feel it needs to be addressed being that it's just furthering the stigma on mental illness/addiction which often (really often) go hand and hand. Just ugh

The media are reporting his drug use, and they are definitely acknowledging its part in his crimes, but I haven't considered it to be an implication that drug use leads to paedophilia.

The way I've interpreted is that in this case, the use of drugs was important to the enjoyment of his crimes. For example, he injected one of the mothers with heroin during the abuse of her child. I don't think its an implication that the drugs were in any way to blame for his actions, or that he wouldn't have committed the same crimes without them, but that he personally wished for drugs to play a role.

EDIT: It's also been reported that he may have given one of the children meth. Again, just a stand-up bloke by all accounts.

Nah I've read several articles that were like basically "he was sxe then he got hella into drugs then became a paedo"

I've been reading it a lot and it's really offputting

I understand, but just for the record my own addiction to alcohol and drugs went far deeper for a lot more years than the conga guy. I will set the record straight and unequivocally state that substance abuse has utterly no connection to pedophilia. I have no immediate statistics but I'd be willing to conject that a high percentage of pedo's have no substance abuse issues at all.

Yeah its more likely that they were victims of abuse themselves

Which makes me really wonder about his parents

the cycle of abuse is a sad ****ed up thing

Well I haven't read anything like that, but if thats the case then I definitely see your point. It makes sense that that would get to you.

Drugs obviously play a big role in this, as he allegedly also expressed an interest in "teaching the babies how to take drugs". I haven't seen a source basically blame his drug use for the person he became and the crimes he committed though, if thats what you're getting at.

The principle role that alcohol played in my example with conga guy is that's what put him in the position with my ex putting his sorry ass up in the first place, living in proximity to her niece and nephew.


*edited to add one of those recordings, for whatever that's worth

Yeah it's not the sort of thing you'd tell your mate to be honest.

I'm sure they knew about the groupies, doubt they knew about the other stuff.

BTW I read the full details when they leaked about a month ago, horrific. Another thing that's pissed me off is Peaches Geldof posting the names of the mothers on Twatter the stupid pseudo intellectual cunt. Hope she gets charged.

As I said, it's not like I was a huge fan of LP. I knew none of them and had only heard the one album, which I liked but which hardly changed my life. Your example, Paul, is far more personal and precious to you and I understand your feelings there. But as I was never that into LP, and further, as (as I've already mentioned) it's the singer, well, ex-singer now I guess, that's involved it's something you couldn't avoid were you to listen to the music again. In your case, it's a drummer, so yeah, maybe the drums bug you but you can get past that by listening to the rest of the music. In this case, the guy would be screaming and shouting all over the songs --- that's the type of singer he was, quite aggressive --- and I would not be able to ignore it.

Also, consider this: how do I know (I don't of course but equally I don't NOT know) that he wasn't recording his albums while carrying out these atrocities against kids? How do I know he didn't finish a recording session or even play a gig and while the others were down the pub or in the hotel or whatever, he was off molesting children? He's never shown any remorse (except finally, when he was sentenced, which I don't buy at all: that's just insurance for when he's in with the hard cases for most of the rest of his life) and seems to have no redeeming qualities. I would not give him the air I breathe, so I'm damned if he's getting my attention or taking up listening time, or writing time (journal entry deleted).

I know the rest of the band may not have had anything to do with this or known about it, but have they said so? Has it been established? Bands are notoriously "one for all", specially out on the road where they may only have each other for company. You think he didn't let it slip about this at some point? Maybe they didn't believe him. Maybe he did keep it a secret. I don't know. All I know is that the whole band is now tainted thanks to his evil, and I won't have anything more to do with them. Possibly, if they release an album without him I may listen, but not to the ones he recorded with them.

Yep.

:D

If they knew, it won't be because he told them.

Trollheart getting self-righteous again I see.

Hitler's actions didn't stop me from reading Mein Kampf

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Take offenders like this out back n put a bullet in em


Anyone assumin the rest of the band knew is bein very stupid here. Like just completely dumb and prob the same plebes who believed joepa was in on the sandusky stuff. I don't understand boycottin stuff but to each their own on that. From the drug angle its totally in pkay cause he woulda likely not done some stuff without drugs. Junkies and addicts aren't kbown for good life choices

IMO if you like the music, listen to it, nothing else should matter. Most musicians/celebrities are bellends to me, granted this is next level but if I boycotted everyone's music who I don't like on a personal level, there'd be nobody left for me to listen to.

Jesus Christ. I wasn't even aware of this, so I just did some research. What a stupid, clueless bitch. It also seems the names of the "mothers" went up on the courts website in its services listing. Seriously, for ****s sake man.

Whats just as bad is the torrent of idiots commenting on these articles and posting tweets about it, basically asking what the big deal is.

Don't understand why you're getting upset about the mothers' names being posted? Serves the evil ****ers right. They should have no protection, **** them. It may not have been her place to do so (Geldof) but I wouldn't put her down for it. People who engage in this kind of **** get too much protection: "Woman A"? "Woman B"? **** that! Name and shame, I say!

Also, tuna, seriously, shove it. What do you know? You think I'm being self-righteous here? It's my choice if I decide to burn their CDs (and not in a good way) --- I'm not saying everyone should do it, but I am. That's my choice and you've no call to be judging me on it.

It's not about the mothers, I don't care about them, it's about the victims. Vigilante Twatter warriors really boil my piss, posting the names without a second's thought as to why they haven't been named in the media.

Trollheart, maybe the mothers dont deserve protection or anonymity, but their children do.

By posting the names of the mothers, she is identifying the victims too.

Right, right. Good points, guys.
Can't see too well past this bloody red mist... :shycouch:

Yip, it happens all the time here. We have a history of domestic violence and sexual abuse, but the reason the perpetrator isn't named it's to protect the children. Peach's will maybe get a fine or charged for breaking name suppression.

I don't really care what you do so long as you stop this grandstanding under the misguided assumption that we care. :thumb:

I already look back on Lostprophets albums from my teen years and cringe about them. That much hasn't changed, but now my brain goes "Pedo, pedo, pedo, pedo, pedopedopedo".

Regardless, they're a **** band and I was already ashamed I listened to them.

I have to admit, I only have a very vague sense of what they even sound like.

If you took Linkin Park and subtracted the rapping, then made the vocals more nasally, I guess that's how I'd describe Lostprophets.

On the actual topic of abandoning music based on principles, this is how I look at it: If you can still listen to it and enjoy it without thinking about creepy and unfortunate things, that's cool. I'm not judgin'. But if, when I chuck an album on, I spend it reminded "Oh yeah, that guy ****ed goats and shot marijuana into his eyeballs or whatever", I'm probably just going to lose interest in popping it on and stop.

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Very well put.

Jesus ****ing Christ! I started this thread because of my disgust with this guy and you think I'm grandstanding? I'm speechless, I really am. What world do you live in at all?

Its all part of the choices that you make. Even when you think you're right you have to give to take

Well I always thought he should had taken Joseph Gerbil's advice and release the album Mein Kampfire Songs instead.

:band: :jailed:

But there's still tomorrow, forget the sorrow.....

(I hate myself but couldn't resist)