Are you pro or anti-establishment?

DwnWthVwls · 04-19-2018, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I hate framing things as "pro gov" or "anti gov"

it's about being pro worker or pro elites, pro democracy or pro oligarchy

it matters that the gov serves our interests not simply if there's less or more of it

If the government is not going to serve my interests, than I'd rather there be less of it. Just sayin...

**Frownland** · 04-19-2018, 10:32 PM

Less openings for corruption.

DwnWthVwls · 04-20-2018, 03:55 AM

Corporations run the government though.

**Frownland** · 04-20-2018, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

more openings for corporate domination

Can't forget more openings for corporate domination.

**Frownland** · 04-20-2018, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

and what they want is less government oversight or ineffectual government oversight

ie Scott Pruitt as the head of the EPA

Therefore make the government bigger?

**Frownland** · 04-20-2018, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

more private accountability to the public in some areas, less in others

a downsizing of the government is not inherently a positive thing, indeed it's often a symptom of corruption

Hmm

DwnWthVwls · 04-20-2018, 01:44 PM

Whenever I say people need to be more accountable for themselves I get looked down on.. but you can say it about the establishment and it's okay. This seems unfair.

If everyone was accountable and held others accountable we'd hardly need a government.

DwnWthVwls · 04-20-2018, 02:33 PM

Now you're just ad homineming me.

Education and self reliance bad.. bad people bad.

DwnWthVwls · 04-20-2018, 10:00 PM

I mean idk what you think.. you think personal bootstrapping is meaningless, so i assume you also think taking some responsibility in educating yourself is also meaningless. Why do anything for ourselves if systems are in place to enable complacency? If you're happy with not making changes because they are more expensive short term who am I to tell you you're wrong? I just find you to a be a silly goose.

DwnWthVwls · 04-20-2018, 10:16 PM

So how did we discover the importance of education if we werent always educated?

View Poll Results: Are you pro or anti establishment?
Pro; I believe the govt and its agencies do a good job	5	17.24%
Anti; I think they're corrupt right the way through	11	37.93%
Either don't know or don't care (so why are you voting?)	3	10.34%
anal beads	10	34.48%
Voters: 29. You may not vote on this poll

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Less openings for corruption. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x