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Xurtio 05-19-2014 11:33 AM

Mt justification for pirating beng distinct from stealing is that I'm poor and they wouldn't have gotten my busness anyway, so there was no loss of value.

The Batlord 05-19-2014 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Xurtio (Post 1451196)
Mt justification for pirating beng distinct from stealing is that I'm poor and they wouldn't have gotten my busness anyway, so there was no loss of value.

I just think that clicking a link doesn't have the same moral stigma that physical theft does, and while the principal may be the same one's personal perception of the crime is different, which means that for someone to engage in physical theft requires a greater moral lapse.

Frownland 05-19-2014 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1451165)
...And your question?

Oops.

A man has been apprehended for attempting to bomb a public building, but he claims that there are more bombs in the city that he set up. However, that's all the information he is willing to give. A police officer suggests using torture tactics to save lives if there are more bombs out there. Is this acceptable?

The Batlord 05-19-2014 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1451241)
Oops.

A man has been apprehended for attempting to bomb a public building, but he claims that there are more bombs in the city that he set up. However, that's all the information he is willing to give. A police officer suggests using torture tactics to save lives if there are more bombs out there. Is this acceptable?

My feelings on torture are kind of convoluted. On the one hand, allowing the use of torture would subvert and run against the current trend of human morality. As much as the information might be valuable the possible harm to the fabric of society's morals might be too great.

On the other, depending on the severity of the threat it might be impossible to simply do nothing regardless.

I think a reasonable, if unpleasant, compromise might be what I imagine occasionally goes on already in extreme situations: torture in secret when absolutely necessary and then throw the perpetrators to the wolves if it ever comes to light. You get the information you need and people get to maintain the illusion of moral superiority.

Carpe Mortem 05-19-2014 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1451246)
My feelings on torture are kind of convoluted. On the one hand, allowing the use of torture would subvert and run against the current trend of human morality. As much as the information might be valuable the possible harm to the fabric of society's morals might be too great.

On the other, depending on the severity of the threat it might be impossible to simply do nothing regardless.

I think a reasonable, if unpleasant, compromise might be what I imagine occasionally goes on already in extreme situations: torture in secret when absolutely necessary and then throw the perpetrators to the wolves if it ever comes to light. You get the information you need and people get to maintain the illusion of moral superiority.


Agreed.
And YOUR question?

The Batlord 05-20-2014 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Carpe Mortem (Post 1451376)
Agreed.
And YOUR question?

I wasn't answering anything, just commenting on my previous one.


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