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Yeah, keeping the stigma on swastikas is kinda like wanting to keep pot illegal because a few idiots got into car accidents.

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Originally Posted by St.Roostifer (Post 1474420)

I'm not really into symbols and stuff but I agree with the poster that started this thread. Modern people do not know history worth a ****. This symbol has been used by many ancient cultures and most weren't even white. Yet our history books leave out this tid bit of info to solely focus our attention on Nazi Germany that made it such a horrible thing. The swastica did not commit the crimes of Nazi Germany, Nazi Germany did.

Before Nazi Germany, the swastica was known as a sign of peace and prosperity ( its why Hitler chose it, likely propanganda) but because modern humans have been dumbed down by their government , history books, the media etc, so people associate with something horrible despite its origins that predate Nazi Germany by thousands of years.

Essentially, people have been brain washed. Nothing new really since this has been going on forever. I'm not advocating running around with a swastica on the front of your T-shirt, just to recognize that one ******* has imprinted the wrong association with this symbol. A symbol that truly stands for peace and prosperity and not what Nazi Germany used it for.

nobody disagrees with that. the thing is you can't really revive the original swastika in a western setting because nazis in all western countries have made it their symbol. so it will usually be associated with racism. maybe if you go to india and include it in the way it was traditionally included, then nobody will care.

sort of like the 6 point star that almost got rick ross killed. it was originally a jewish symbol but because it has been co-opted by a gang it has a different meaning now in certain places. but in other places its just the star of david.

Again, the question remains - Why do you care about reclaiming this symbol?

What do you gain apart from a sense of smug self satisfaction?

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre (Post 1474608)

Again, the question remains - Why do you care about reclaiming this symbol?

What do you gain apart from a sense of smug self satisfaction?

I don't really care about reclaiming it but it would be nice if people were more aware of its history so others who it means something else to could use it without worrying about offending someone through ignorance.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1474634)

I think people are aware of its history. I just think they either don't care, or recognise that those meanings are small niches of meaning in comparison to a woven tapestry of genocide.

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre (Post 1474608)

Again, the question remains - Why do you care about reclaiming this symbol?

What do you gain apart from a sense of smug self satisfaction?

A better question is, what do you lose? The swastika being stigmatized in western/european culture does not have any positive effects that I can think of.

Even if he is only doing it to feel a sense of "smug self-satisfaction" at least it has positive effects for other cultures. We don't need to keep the symbol stigmatized, there are plenty of other things to remember what happened in WW2, all of which have no negative effects on unrelated cultures.

What's smug is when people don't want to accept things changing that do not concern them at all. Just like all the people crying over gay marriage.

hitler also ruined the charlie chaplin mustache for everybody

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth (Post 1474785)

hitler also ruined the charlie chaplin mustache for everybody

Not everybody.

http://www.kindofcreepy.com/wp-conte...che-hitler.jpg

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Originally Posted by WhateverDude (Post 1473993)

And if same gendered couples can marry then soon people will wanna marry their dogs. Drawing lines like that is just silly dude, everything is it's own case.

Anyways, millions of people died in some of the worst ways human beings have ever died under a flag with a swastika on it. Why is it so frustrating to you that someone would be upset by seeing such a symbol? Yeah, you might be wearing it because you choose to interpret it as something else but other people shouldn't be expected to do the same. The fact is, swastikas are now and forever associated with human tragedy and people have every right to see it that way.

I should not be reviled because I choose to wear a swastika. It's my business why I wear it and no one else's. It doesn't hurt you or anyone that I wear one. If I physically attack and hurt you, I should be reviled for that and not because I attacked you while wearing a swastika. Censoring a swastika for what the Nazis did is like censoring happy faces because of what the happy face killer did.