Basically yeah.

Know a Rangers lad from Glasgow and he is fiercely against this and hoping common sense prevails. The polls seem to be moving in the favour of independence and he's getting a bit worried now. I know another pair of Scots who are in favour of yes but they are really out of touch with reality & bitter and would just as likely be walking round in shit tracksuits chanting EDL if they were born on the other side of the border.

The SNP promises more benefits for the poor while offering lower tax rates :confused:.

I am hoping something will intervene and people aren't just being blinded by patriotism.

Stronger together :cool:.

I don't think you can hold Rangers fans up as bastions of common sense. A fairly sizable amount of them are the most blindly patriotic, bigoted, BNP/EDL supporting people in Scotland. All those of that persuasion are voting No.

I say this as someone who grew up supporting Rangers. Myself and many of my 'proddy' pals are voting Yes, and believe me it is not out of patriotism or nationalism or anti-English sentiment. These definitely exist, but in my personal experience there's a much more sizable number who are simply trying to create a better country. It's about self-determination, getting the governments and politics we want, creating a more equal society, getting rid of nuclear weapons and their fiscal burden, and a million other reasons.

Whatever the outcome, there is a real engagement with politics in Scotland now. We have been able to channel our disillusionment with Westminster into something positive and hopeful. In England, it seems that it's been channeled into UKIP and right-wing politics, or at least more so than anything else. It's an exciting time, but there will definitely be challenges if we get independence, and there's definitely an overly idealistic side to some sections of the Yes movement. But with the vast resources we have, I don't see why we can't overcome these challenges.

Kayleigh - highly recommend you read this:
Wings Over Scotland | The Wee Blue Book

and this:
https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkin...-thats-bizarre


And mind - it's not all about Salmond/SNP ;)

I can't see any reason why
- having our own government (that we actually voted for)
-representatives in parliament that were actually able to serve the needs of their constituents
-the ability to make our own international relations
-not deploying troops to fight in illegal invasions
-having complete control over our highly valuable natural resources
-having 100% of taxpayers money spent on Scottish people and society
-creating a fairer and more equal society
-raising the national minimum wage
-the ability to have not devolved, but complete course and direction over the governing and management of our own people
-not paying for high speed railines or a Royal Family that do nothing for us, one because they're not being constructed in our country, the other because they do literally nothing and the concept of a Monarchy is ludicrous in a supposed 21st Century democracy

would make us weaker.

Any 'No' vote is a waste of the best opportunity we've ever had for creating better lives for ourselves as a nation. Imagine being the only country in the world dumb enough to vote against their own freedom. The final shackles of the British Empire need to be broken.

It could possibly be a mistake for Scotland.


If Scotland Goes: 'A Mistake As Big As The Great Depression' - Forbes

Scottish independence: ten key issues - Telegraph

This is already the case!

Agree with all of this. Solid response.

One of the most exaggerated claims ever put into print. The many factors that led to The Great Depression could not and would not happen again in today's environment nevermind in Scotland.


Essentially I am voting yes because I am tired of living in a country that has these delusions of grandeur on the world stage. I want to live in a country where the people are happy and taken care of, not one that spends money on illegal wars and nuclear weapons that don't sit right with me morally.
This country's political climate is moving further away from my vision of a respectable society by the day. The people of Scotland are traditionally left leaning and socialist, so why are we being represented by a slew of politicians spouting near identical versions of the same old neoliberalism? Why are we living in a country where UKIP have a huge amount of support when Nigel Farage is greeted with angry mobs everytime he makes an appearance in Scotland? We need our elected parties to have full control, so we can begin to build a fair and just society that we can be proud of. I'd like to live in a country that tries to be more like Scandinavia than a country that trie to be more like America.
This video nails it, although the man speaking is a bit of a prat.

Actually it's not, you see them here all the time.
They don't have to be accepted, but they can be used.

Yeah, they're legal tender but in my experience are rarely accepted.

If Scotland becomes independent, will it still be part of the EU or will it have to reapply?

Scottish independence: ten key issues - Telegraph

I don't know if the writer is hinting that Spain would block it (Scotland's reapplication into the EU) to send a sign to regions that want to break away from Spain. I think when he say "problems with secessionist movements" he is alluding to the Basque region.

I know absolutely nothing about the politics behind this all but I am very interested in watching what happens and reading the various viewpoints being shared. Thanks for starting the thread, K, and I hope whatever happens is ultimately in the best interest of at least MB's resident Scots.

Seems like quite an exciting time.