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Old 05-04-2017, 05:05 PM   #101 (permalink)
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Does that qualify as a bandwagon fallacy, though? I'm trying to show that there isn't a consensus by pointing to several advanced countries that have labelling restrictions, not saying we should label them because Japan and the EU do.
Are the representatives of those countries scientists? Even if they are, are they using valid justifications for it? When you address the countries without going into that part, yes that is a bandwagon fallacy. Scientific research alters the consensus, not legal decisions related to scientific matters.
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Old 05-04-2017, 05:10 PM   #102 (permalink)
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Are the representatives of those countries scientists? Even if they are, are they using valid justifications for it? When you address the countries without going into that part, yes that is a bandwagon fallacy. Scientific research alters the consensus, not legal decisions related to scientific matters.
All right, makes sense. I won't tackle the scientific consensus because I can see that I wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
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Old 05-04-2017, 05:33 PM   #103 (permalink)
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Do you seriously think the common people aren't idiots though?
I don't think you're smarter than the average person take that to mean what you want
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Old 05-04-2017, 05:37 PM   #104 (permalink)
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That is most certainly a cop out. Answer the question or I'm going to assume you're evading it. Are the common people intelligent enough to make informed and useful decisions regarding political policy?
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That is most certainly a cop out. Answer the question or I'm going to assume you're evading it. Are the common people intelligent enough to make informed and useful decisions regarding political policy?
Oh absolutely

Education is very bad in many places however
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Oh absolutely

Education is very bad in many places however
Yeah, I kinda don't believe you. Nothing about you says that you respect the intelligence of the average person. I think you just say that cause you kinda have to with your political beliefs. You probably have the same dubious concept of Joe Sixpack at the most basic level as the rest of us.
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If GMOs are used as an excuse for the sort of **** Monsanto is getting up to in the US then I don't support their use. Also if corporate greed is the driving force behind research I have no trust in any findings saying how safe they are.
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Yeah, I kinda don't believe you. Nothing about you says that you respect the intelligence of the average person. I think you just say that cause you kinda have to with your political beliefs. You probably have the same dubious concept of Joe Sixpack at the most basic level as the rest of us.
40+ year old obese white father isnt even
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They are the worst demographic though

Even then it's got more to do with culture than intelligence
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It's nice read comments from someone who actually knows what they're talking about!
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Sure, people want details, but it seems the vast majority of them also want a label. Doesn't holding out make GMOs seem scary? Ultimately, I think people should have the choice to avoid them if they want to, whether their reasons for doing so are sound or not.

(For the record, I agree with you on the safety of GMOs and I'm personally indifferent on whether or not they're labelled. I just have to write a paper on this.)
Making poor choices just because you can shouldn't be enabled. It's like vaccines... Idiotic anti vaxxers think they live in an isolated bubble and their poor choice isn't going to affect other people. Herd immunity, folks.

My view on GMOs isn't so much the labeling as it is that we are separating GMO vs organic when they shouldn't be put in separate categories at all. I talked a bit about the monetary effect, but spreading fear about something completely unfounded is only going to hurt the poor uneducated folk of the world.

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This was the same argument againt nutritional facts and calories on menu

Consumers have a right to know don't treat them like children
Nutrition information helps you make make informed decisions about your health (ie watching your calorie intake). It can be measured quantitatively. Telling someone it's a GMO won't add anything other than telling that person it's a GMO. It's a waste of money and will only freak people out.

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If GMOs are used as an excuse for the sort of **** Monsanto is getting up to in the US then I don't support their use. Also if corporate greed is the driving force behind research I have no trust in any findings saying how safe they are.
Monsanto's science is first rate. Their shady side comes out when they try to monopolize the industry with shady business practices.
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Making poor choices just because you can shouldn't be enabled. It's like vaccines... Idiotic anti vaxxers think they live in an isolated bubble and their poor choice isn't going to affect other people. Herd immunity, folks.

My view on GMOs isn't so much the labeling as it is that we are separating GMO vs organic when they shouldn't be put in separate categories at all. I talked a bit about the monetary effect, but spreading fear about something completely unfounded is only going to hurt the poor uneducated folk of the world.
Off topic, but do you think vaccines should be mandatory?
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