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Old 01-21-2015, 07:06 AM   #471 (permalink)
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yea, i don't understand this sentence because while the harmless aspects of islam shouldn't relate to fear, violence and terrror, to a certain extent i would say that islamism should.
There are probably those who would argue for islamism with arguments of virtues like love, respect and tolerance. I would respect genuine good intentions, even if I don't agree with islamism. There are probably many who would further islamism without using fear, violence and terror. While I am against islamism on general principle, I don't want to demonize every intention behind it that might exist out there.

In general on this subject, I think it's important to try not to generalize and to try not to alienate.
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Old 01-21-2015, 07:11 AM   #472 (permalink)
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fair enough... now i understand what you were saying. i'm not sure if i agree or not
can you give an example of islamism which hasn't been pursued through militant tactics?
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Old 01-21-2015, 07:17 AM   #473 (permalink)
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Free Speech is going to me, is a wonderful thing. If the cartoonist wanted to make fun of the people, it's his voice. He did not have to die for free speech. I find it BS that people are trying to get kids into this as well. Terrorist deserve to die. The end.
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Old 01-21-2015, 07:19 AM   #474 (permalink)
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fair enough... now i understand what you were saying. i'm not sure if i agree or not
can you give an example of islamism which hasn't been pursued through militant tactics?
I became more aware of it after reading an interview in a Norwegian newspaper with a muslim who complained that all norwegian non-muslims ever see are the evils of islam and not the virtues of it. She wanted Norway to become "islamized" and argued that it would basically add good values to society. I assume that if given the possibility, she will excercise what political power she has (be it only a vote) to further that kind of islamism in Norway. I figure there must be more people like her and not only in Norway.

I'm sorry for not providing a link. I can look for one on the internet, but the article would of course be in norwegian.
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i'll take your word for it. i stand corrected. i when i hear 'islamism' i'm thinking the muslim bortherhood, al nusra, hezbollah, etc. i forget about the influence of islamic immigrants in europe
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Old 01-21-2015, 08:22 AM   #476 (permalink)
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**** it. I just want to say welcome back tore! You have been missed.
Thanks Trollheart

I do lurk a bit now and then, but for every post I write, there's probably at least one or two that never gets to the point where I actually click 'submit'. I'm more like a creepy uncle these days, occasionally dropping by and watching you guys from the shadows.
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Old 01-21-2015, 08:35 AM   #477 (permalink)
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^speak for yourself
I figured that your insults were just a sign that you were running out of substance in your argument, which was confirmed when you gave up (and complimented my endurance. Thanks for that, by the way). And since you sent me a PM approximating "Hey, are we cool?", and then a few more as an attempt to discuss things politely with me outside of the thread, I naturally (and not unreasonably) assumed that you legitimately didn't want to offend me. So if you do actually dislike me, you're not doing a very good job of expressing it.
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I became more aware of it after reading an interview in a Norwegian newspaper with a muslim who complained that all norwegian non-muslims ever see are the evils of islam and not the virtues of it. She wanted Norway to become "islamized" and argued that it would basically add good values to society. I assume that if given the possibility, she will excercise what political power she has (be it only a vote) to further that kind of islamism in Norway. I figure there must be more people like her and not only in Norway.

I'm sorry for not providing a link. I can look for one on the internet, but the article would of course be in norwegian.
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