Trollheart |
01-09-2015 10:05 AM |
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Originally Posted by James
(Post 1535579)
Typical? What exactly do you mean by that? You can frame what you're saying however you want, but on a base level justifying their actions is exactly what you're doing. It shouldn't matter who the victims even were, the fact is they were brutally murdered and that's horrible. Their actions have no bearing on the moral implications of what the gunmen did. I don't think anyone is viewing them as heroes, they've more become martyrs because they died while taking full advantage of our civil liberties.
The Lee Rigby case is entirely different, but using your arguments - didn't they kill him because of his complacency and participation in an illegal war that killed hundreds of innocents and ravaged the Middle East? I wouldn't say so, because no matter how much I disagree with what Lee Rigby has done being beheaded in the street is a disgusting way to be killed. Even if Lee Rigby or the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists had been truly atrocious human beings, the murderers are still the ones to blame. People should simply not be subjected to these levels of violence.
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I should clarify. That "typical" was a generic one, directed at those (including but not specifically aimed at you) who choose to see any opposing view on this as tacit support for murder: "if you're not with us yer against us". It's quite hurtful to be honest. I have reiterated time and again I am NOT justifying murder, saying they deserved it or it was the thing to do. I am just trying to point out that it was not unexpected, or should not have been. You **** with people's beliefs, especially if they're already ****ed in the head, you get this sort of response. It does NOT make it RIGHT and I AM NOT SUPPORTING IT, but it's easy to see a) how it happened and b) how it could have been avoided.
The level of hypocrisy here is staggering honestly. You'd think these guys were angels who were attacked for nothing. They weren't: they were arrogant ****s who thought they could **** on people's beliefs and nothing would happen to them. There's a case to be answered for responsibility, on their side and the side of everyone who masks racism, sexism or any other ism behind a cartoon. It's still an attack, if not a physical one, and it's a red rag to an already enraged bull.
Lee Rigby didn't stand in the street with a placard saying UP YOURS MOHAMMED! which is essentially what these guys did. That's the difference.
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