Not at all, made me rethink my opinions, and views on all of those things. I believe when I stopped tripping the first words out of my mouth were "Time travel is completely possible." I also have never been able to listen to Oliva Tremor Control's Black Foliage record ever again.

Kinda, yeah. But the meaning of the statement is passing out under the weight of the Lord's presence.

Edit: It's also a sign of humility in the presence of God, you can purposely get on your face.

Definitely intriguing, but that still sounds like hopeful conjecture meant to drum up interest in a field that the public at large is pretty much indifferent to.

I just don't get the idea, that people don't believe in aliens....
I mean you can see another galaxy from earth with the naked eye. Are you that simple to think that we are truly the only species like this?

Hence why I never really ask you or other theists about that kind of thing. I don't really care and I'm not going to be swayed by the same things I've heard over and over again, so it's just a waste of both of our times, and probably more than a little condescending on my part since I would be trying to figure out why their claims were bull**** the entire time they were talking.

Considering just how susceptible the human brain is -- even perfectly normal human brains -- to delusions of all kinds, even if you were to have such an intense experience, I think the logical approach would be to first assume that your brain was malfunctioning until you found evidence to the contrary.

Yes.

Nah. Read up on Europa. Where there's water you usually find life. Even if it's only microscopic it would still blow the roof off of this place we call Earth.

c/s Chula. I didn't see that link you posted, but I was gonna say I reckon we'll find life away from Earth within the next decade or so. Even if it's yeast or something. Pretty sure they've found evidence of water on Mars now, or water under the surface, so it's only a matter of time.

They've found evidence that there once was water on Mars. They are 99.99% certain that there's water under the ice surface of Europa.

Searching For Life On Europa Now A NASA Priority - Forbes

That's the one, knew it was something like that. Do you have an interest in this at all mate? I know not a lot but I remember reading about it for my course briefly (was about water).

What I don't get is how some people mock other people because they believe in a God, and blast them for using inductive reasoning to explain how they came to believe in a God, then turn around and say "aliens, oh yeah totally possible, just use inductive reasoning."

I want actual undeniable certifiable physical proof that aliens exist before I concur that there are physical extraterritorial sentient intelligent beings in the universe.

Big time.

I don't mock people who believe in a God. I mock people who take the Bible 100% literally, and are unwilling to believe that a lot of it is mythology.

roxy i'm sorry you don't like my approach but i don't think you get me as well as you might think. i have been to church plenty of times and i don't ask them any questions. usually it's the other way around and they see a new face and try to convert me and when that doesn't work then they just look at me like well wtf are you doing here then.

if it seemed like i was only interested in hearing about the cult **** because i find cults interesting rather than trying to get to know you that's cause that's exactly right. nothing personal, but i just have a varying degree of interest in things in this world and cults rank pretty high for me where as whatever your favorite bands are or whatever rank not quite as high. call it a matter of taste i guess.

The existence of life is self-evident, and the more we learn about the universe and the chance that life might exist on other worlds, the more the likelihood of their not existing becomes implausible.

However, the existence of any being that would qualify as a deity is only attested to in books of dubious origin, claims by people of dubious sanity, and the belief of many other people who are basically just guessing. Not only that, but our observations of the universe have never shown that there is any need for it to have been created or "guided along" by an intelligent being.\

And your new avatar is beyond awful.

with aliens we have at least one precedent to draw on which is the fact that life exists on earth

with god we have no precedents to draw upon because we don't know whether this universe was created or not

but i think the idea that it could have been created is at least a plausible possibility

where as the stories about the seas being parted and **** like that is a lot more dubious because **** like that never seems to happen anymore and the only record we have of it happening are in ancient stories that can't be proven to have actually occurred

Love how this guy completely destroys the whole Noah's Ark fable.

Problems with a Global Flood, 2nd edition

I forwarded this to a person who 100% believes the bible and his answer was that "But it was God. He can do anything."

Flood myths are common in different religions, I wonder why. Maybe floods were lot more impactful on agricultural living before industry and commerce.

Yes, heck the writers of the bible pretty much plagiarized the Noah myth from the earlier Galgamesh flood stories.

As to why, it's centered around the "cleansing of mankind" via the flood waters.

Based on everything we know about the system around us, alien life is completely reasonable conclusion. There is no logical way to connect the existence of a Godlike entity based on what science can currently offer us (if there is please enlighten me).

Actually it's totally logical to completely disbelieve in a supernatural God based on what we currently know.

A spiritual God is perfectly viable though since it's a matter personal faith.

Well, you can't prove a negative, so it's a reasonable criticism against anti-theists when people talk about a god, in general. But when people start making specific claims about reality based on their religion (and thus, their god) it becomes easier for skeptics to debunk.

That's what I just said.

Faith is not based on logic, so no, it's not viable as a logical argument.

For some reason I read it backwards. Just re-read, and got it.

Not logical. But you can't make any scientific arguments that will sway a person away from their spiritual God.

Nea said that religious people can justify their belief in God with inductive reasoning, and I was saying they can't.

It seems like most ancient civilizations formed next to bodies of water so it might just be that they were the natural disaster that people were most likely to experience. Plus, the whole life giver turns deadly thing works well thematically in a story.

Like the time my mom came at me with a machete? We laugh about it now, but that was some crazy ****.

Yep, just like that time. Your mother and I love to laugh about that.

That's not what your mom said last night.

Old Testament God was metal as ****. His hippy son ****ed that up though.

And ye God said, "lent's over motha****as".....

somebody hasn't read revelations

I am vegetarian I don't eat meat Thursday and Sunday of the week.

Uh. A vegetarian doesn't eat meat at all.

Revelation was some old dudes shroom trip in a cave somewhere that people took seriously. Until God follows through he's still a pussy.

Old testament God was egotistical, misogynistic, a megalomaniac, spiteful, vengeful, and just flat out an *******.

Hence metal as ****.

See, I was an extremely laid back evangelist. I wait on you to tell me your story, and if you give me an opening Ill take it. I was saying your approach in general sucks. If you came up to me in church the way you come at me on the forum I'd feed you the bible, starting with Genesis and ending with Revelation page per page brah. Because I am not a science project, you know what I mean cause we have talked about this, so if yer approach was the same in church, then yeah you might not get very far. But as for others that is the normal way of evangelizing people is cramming worthless **** down peoples throats, and even approaching the topic of changing the way we do that is a touchy subject, I have sat in on many a deacons meeting and discussed it with other church members and there is a disconnect there that happens. Its an old way of doing things, and the church's inability to evolve is what is making it die out. Has nothing to do with science and not being able to prove there is a God. Church is about community, and having a place where like minded people can hang the **** out and do the same thing. And just like any club, cyclists, knitters or what have you the only way to gain more of a following is to just do what you do on a regular basis, there is no need beat people into submission with the bible while wrinkling your nose at the very person you are trying to help, then sit there and wonder why there is a skeleton crew in church. It's counter productive.

Like I said my problem isn't with the Lord, it's with man, and the body of Christ is work in progress as much as the souls that they are trying to save are, the difference is the crack heads and prostitutes that they are ministering to are straight up about their flaws. Where as the long standing members can be judgmental morons,
that think they already got it made in the shade when they die. I try not to prey on people in their moments of darkness, doubt , and weakness, because that is when 65% of people cry out to God for help when they are weak and going through ****, and most church people see the pain on someones face as an opportunity to save them at that moment. And that is the wrong solution to their problem, because more then likely that person breaking down in the row ahead of you needs a shoulder to lean on, a human shoulder, a very real shoulder. Offering them a tissue and pulling them into the vestibule and hugging them, while listening to their story is waaaay more effective in getting their heart to open to the word of God vs barrating them into hearing it.


And again on the cult thing bro, personally I don't trust you enough to even begin to open a discussion with you.First off something that second gen cult survivors suffer from is a deep seeded mistrust of people, and you always ask why I am so secretive, that is one of the reasons, and it's not just with that subject or you, it's everyone and and almost every subject, until you give me reason to trust you. That is something deeply rooted in my psychopathology, and it's part of who I am at my base and core makeup. And that has to do with my experiences growing up. You will be hard pressed to find cult members ex or active that will talk to you about what they went through, or are going through, because you WILL NOT UNDERSTAND. It's not something you can understand brother as much as you want to, as hard as you try. I have spoken to 6 people in my life about what I went through as a child. 2 were lovers of mine that actually ranked up there enough for me to get up close and personal with, 1 is the bat and he got a very loose watered down version, and the other three are former members as well. Some of this stuff is so, off the wall, dark, isolating, and just plain evil, that I can not put it into words, for you. So now do you understand, why I don't discuss it, or why I can't spell, or have a million dollar back tax debt to the government, because those are all side effects of what was done to me, and I didn't have a choice, and I couldn't just up and leave until I was legally an adult. And unlike people who just join a cult as an adult because it sounds groovy, I do not have a base personality I can return too. You understand? Everything I learned as a child, was wrong, yet it's what I know, so there are times yes wen I revert back to what I know as an adult, and that cannot be helped. So it's a struggle, every ****ing day of my life to have some degree of normalcy and having some one prod you because they are interested in cults in general is irritating and infuriating at times because I don't have a way to tell you what it was like .

I read literally nothing in this thread but I can only assume it's one of those cases where the original discussion was lost some 10+ pages ago. This place :rolleyes:.

:laughing: the warning when you try to exit the page is funnier than the page itself.

You'd be right.