No. Did you read Jans posts that I quoted and said I agreed with? I think that pretty much sums it up.

And to be frank the fact that she was a child doesn't make the crime any worse in my eyes. I don't value the lives of children over adults.

Nor do I.

I value the child victim at the hands of an adult a bit differently though.

She was a 7 year old kid for christ's sake. Stolen out of her bed in the middle of the night. For the next 48 hours she was sexually abused and beaten. At one point she was punched so hard in the face that the coroner found her broken teeth lodged in her stomach.

I'll f*cking jump up and down with joy the day he's finally put down for what he did.

Yeah, I'm sure when they stopped drawing and quartering criminals there were people rolling their eyes at the liberal pantywaists. If you can save lives, then do it. If you can't, then try anyway and then try something else when that doesn't work. Don't just reject anything that doesn't allow you to indulge your revenge fantasies.

Sometimes it's not useful to put yourself at the perceptual level. Sometimes, in order to come up with logical solutions, you have to maintain a detached objectivity. Whether or not that sounds heartless is irrelevant. If my idea saves more lives and helps more people than yours does, then that's all that matters.

Care to further explain? That sounds contradictory to me.

F*ck it guys, I'm out. Way too emotionally vested.

I imagine he means that the type of person who is a child killer is likely more reprehensible than someone who kills an adult. I would agree actually. There's a psychological imperative that causes organisms to value the lives of their young more than full grown ones, and to overcome that probably takes a more aberrant individual.

Wait, what? Organisms?

Seriously, shut the hell up.

Yes. Organisms. Loving your kids isn't just a human thing. Dogs, birds, lions, dolphins, apparently at least some dinosaurs.

You first, Mr. Bronson.

Meh, I wouldn't say more aberrant, that's like saying more unique. I think if you're are at the point of being crazy enough to murder people, then the triggers that drove you to that point will have a dominant role in how you carry out the murders more so than than how aberrant you are.

Why? Are people somehow devalued by the use of the word Organism?

I hate this. I hate how, the moment a technical sciency word is used for something like this, people perceive it as, like, cold and heartless. Which isn't the case. People are organisms. This means that they are alive. How does this devalue life?

W/r/t the question, I'm starting to lean towards your point of view (still undecided), but I don't dig on that type of bad logic.

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Ah Ah Ah Ah staying alive. Staying alive.

Again, way too vested.

You guys have at it.

this guy

this guy?

You right, heads smashing against walls and Bee Gees lyrics. My argument is invalid.

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i bet you love watching nancy grace don't you chula

Um. I think the point about children that Chula is maybe making is that, generally, adult vs adult is a little more balanced than child vs adult. Sure, he's probably armed and crazy, but given even a slight chance you could leg it, hit him over the head, hide, whatever. As adults we have the wherewithal to size up the options better. A kid is just gonna cry, and has no conception of how to get out of his/her situation other than crying for his/her parents.

Also, adults know what's happening to them. Kids don't understand or appreciate why (in the broadest sense) it's happening and can't process it. They're brought up to generally think of most adults as people they can turn to, who will care for them and protect them, and for one to act this way is such a shock to their system that they literally can't comprehend it. You may be getting chased by/imprisoned by/stalked by some loon with a knife, and you'll be ****ting yourself, but you'll know why and may be able to devise some strategy. Kids can't; they're not yet equipped mentally to think that way, and that's one of the main reasons why crimes of this nature against children are seen as extra-horrible.

Also, don't forget, CV has children of his own. I don't. If you don't you probably can't understand his anger.

Dude calm down. You are shrieking like a lunatic, and all people seem to be saying is one of two things, either they don't agree that executing someone is right. Or they aren't apposed to it if vengeance isn't the motive.

Stop and listen to what people are saying man, just for a second.

I'm good.

I am not sure man. I dunno I feel like this isn't the thread for you.

Sigh* You just cant reach some folks.

The mullet must have gotten to his brain back in the eighties.