Death vs.Life

DwnWthVwls · 04-20-2015, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

The death penalty can cost far more than life incarceration. On average, the trials alone cost millions of dollars more than trials where the defense seeks life incarceration, ranging from two to eight times more expensive.

Costs of the Death Penalty | Death Penalty Information Center

Add that to the normal costs of maintaining a prisoner for years (as it usually takes many years for the execution to happen, TIME ON DEATH ROW | Death Penalty Information Center) in death row, and taking the subsequent appeals and investigations into account, and the costs become astronomical. Here's an interesting collection of professionals in the criminal justice world and their opinions on the death penalty versus life incarceration. (Does the Death Penalty Cost Less Than Life in Prison without Parole? - Death Penalty - ProCon.org) And actually, there are a few proponents of the death sentence who bring up good points, and that the costs don't have to be so high and can be reformed. There's even a proponent of the death penalty who claims that it costs less in the end (even though he claims this based on the information of one study, which has been refuted by the vast majority of studies into the costs of the death penalty, and really isn't even a study since it's basically guesswork as to what it will cost in the future rather than an examination of what it costs now). Read through the opinions, and decide what you believe.

And their last meal is way more expensive than regular prison food. What's with that ish? :P

RoxyRollah · 04-20-2015, 07:18 AM

Oh I am well aware of the cost of execution. We do a lot of crazier **** than that, that costs way more everyday.
It doesn't make me advocate a life sentence. .Im sorry, it just doesn't. Its the job of the governing state to keep the rest of its inhabitants safe, And like I said before, well kill a rabid dog and not think twice about it.But a person,that can do more damage then an entire pack of rabid animals well lock them up and throw away the key.
It costs buocoupe money to house them till they die of natural or unnaturally die.So I fail to see not executing some one over a budget clause.

Edit: Also I don't need to read through and decide what I believe dahling, because I have said it 57 times. I am pro death in the event of horrific cases involving, children, rapes, and gruesome violent deaths.

RoxyRollah · 04-20-2015, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Way I sees it, if someone is such a threat to society that it warrants killing them, then their psychology is probably worth studying. So instead of the death penalty, just stick them in a maximum security nuthouse and use them for study until the day they die of natural causes. There's so much we don't know about psychopaths, and so few times we actually get our hands on a confirmed one, that it's a waste of resources to just flush them down the drain.

Yet, there are tons of stuidies done showing there is no real difference between theirbrains and ours.
The problem is usually lack of empathy and emtions,less likely its brain chemistry. So they get to spebd the remainder of their lives playing with Lincoln logs and coloring,how is that a punishment?

Oriphiel · 04-20-2015, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah

Yet, there are tons of stuidies done showing there is no real difference between theirbrains and ours.

Not true. For example, most experts agree that damage to the brain's frontal lobe is one of the leading similarities that the majority of murderers and serial killers have. There are other things that have been identified as pre-disposers to a life of violence as well, and not all of them have to do with someone's brain/neurochemical receptors; exposure to violence at a young age, particularly of the sexual variety, often influences people towards living in social isolation, as well as having violent tendencies. But there are so many parts of the brain that, when damaged, can cause someone to act erratically, and it's very important for experts to study the minds of killers so that they can identify just what led them to such behavior (whether because of nature, nurture, or both).

Sources: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...-serial-killer, Predestined Serial Killers | Serendip Studio, Criminal Profiling: The Psychology of a Serial Killer, Inside the Mind of a Killer - ABC News

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah

Oh I am well aware of the cost of execution. We do a lot of crazier **** than that, that costs way more everyday.
It doesn't make me advocate a life sentence. .Im sorry, it just doesn't. Its the job of the governing state to keep the rest of its inhabitants safe, And like I said before, well kill a rabid dog and not think twice about it.But a person,that can do more damage then an entire pack of rabid animals well lock them up and throw away the key.
It costs buocoupe money to house them till they die of natural or unnaturally die.So I fail to see not executing some one over a budget clause.

Edit: Also I don't need to read through and decide what I believe dahling, because I have said it 57 times. I am pro death in the event of horrific cases involving, children, rapes, and gruesome violent deaths.

And yet, as I showed in my sources, it has been almost unanimously proven to cost millions more to execute them than to imprison them for life. And those millions come directly from the taxes that you pay. It's a waste of time and money, and there are only two defenses that it's proponents have: "But some people just deserve to die!" and "Imprisoning someone for life is cruel and madness-inducing! Show them mercy!" The first is pretty pointless, as life without parole is more than sufficient to keep the so-called "unforgivable monsters" off the street. And the second is foolish because it puts words into the prisoners mouths; who are you to decide what they would prefer? Why not just let those who are convicted to life without parole have the option to an execution, rather than forcing them to live or die according to your morals?

Chula Vista · 04-20-2015, 08:51 AM

Life, as long as the female membership here keeps sending me a steady stream of naughty photos.

RoxyRollah · 04-20-2015, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

Not true. For example, most experts agree that damage to the brain's frontal lobe is one of the leading similarities that the majority of murderers and serial killers have. There are other things that have been identified as pre-disposers to a life of violence as well, and not all of them have to do with someone's brain/neurochemical receptors; exposure to violence at a young age, particularly of the sexual variety, often influences people towards living in social isolation, as well as having violent tendencies. But there are so many parts of the brain that, when damaged, can cause someone to act erratically, and it's very important for experts to study the minds of killers so that they can identify just what led them to such behavior (whether because of nature, nurture, or both).

Sources: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...-serial-killer, Predestined Serial Killers | Serendip Studio, Criminal Profiling: The Psychology of a Serial Killer, Inside the Mind of a Killer - ABC News

And yet, as I showed in my sources, it has been almost unanimously proven to cost millions more to execute them than to imprison them for life. And those millions come directly from the taxes that you pay. It's a waste of time and money, and there are only two defenses that it's proponents have: "But some people just deserve to die!" and "Imprisoning someone for life is cruel and madness-inducing! Show them mercy!" The first is pretty pointless, as life without parole is more than sufficient to keep the so-called "unforgivable monsters" off the street. And the second is foolish because it puts words into the prisoners mouths; who are you to decide what they would prefer? Why not just let those who are convicted to life without parole have the option to an execution, rather than forcing them to live or die according to your morals?

Nobody is living or dying according to my morals bro. It's actually quite the opposite. I am just saying how I feel about it. And that will never change. And let the accused choose their fate? Really? Did the victims get to choose theirs? No. Also stats throwers are not my cup of tea. There are three kinds of lies, lies, damn lies and statistics.

RoxyRollah · 04-20-2015, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Life, as long as the female membership here keeps sending me a steady stream of naughty photos.

Nobody sends you nudes dude. Quit lyin.

**Janszoon** · 04-20-2015, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah

Nobody is living or dying according to my morals bro. It's actually quite the opposite. I am just saying how I feel about it. And that will never change. And let the accused choose their fate? Really? Did the victims get to choose theirs? No. Also stats throwers are not my cup of tea. There are three kinds of lies, lies, damn lies and statistics.

Yeah, facts are such a nuisance.

Chula Vista · 04-20-2015, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah

Nobody sends you nudes dude. Quit lyin.

Not yet. But after I'm convicted they'll start rolling in for certain.

RoxyRollah · 04-20-2015, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Yeah, facts are such a nuisance.

Its not that Janszy, for every fact you have that is anti death I can find just as many pro stats. That's why stats don't matter, to me. Like I said I for the death penalty, only in the event of awful crimes. The ones that are just so goddamn awful, that it turns yer stomach and breaks your heart that someone could be that cold, calculating, or hurt children.(I am sorry I have like zero tolerance when it comes to kids.) And there isn't anything wrong with the offender being put to death, it's a crime, and that is the punishment handed down.

04-20-2015, 08:51 AM	#35 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Life, as long as the female membership here keeps sending me a steady stream of naughty photos. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”