Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1583505)

But that's the thing.... times are not different because we can clearly see that the same issues that took place in the 60's still are going on today.

Originally Posted by WhateverDude (Post 1583496)

yeah... let's make a joke about a guy minding his business with his hands up obviously getting the **** beat out of him once the police thought no one would see them do it.

Originally Posted by WhateverDude (Post 1583514)

You don't see a problem with joking about what happened in the gif or you don't see a problem with what happened in the gif? I mean either way is a low place to stoop but one's pretty significantly lower dude.

Originally Posted by WhateverDude (Post 1583518)

I guess that's easier to do when the threat of getting beaten up or shot by police isn't a major issue in your life...

Originally Posted by WhateverDude (Post 1583509)

I totes forgot to respond to the question-

I haven't read most of the thread but I think the issue is people have a hard time empathizing with things they don't understand. And they don't understand because they're complacent and comfortable and being confronted by major issues upsets that and makes them feel accused. And instead of recognizing the effect of their apathy they get defensive because it's easier not to care.

Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1583525)

If it makes people feel better, I'll stay out of this thread. Didnt realize we had so many sensitive members when it comes to a topic that doesn't effect any of them.

Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1583505)

But that's the thing.... times are not different because we can clearly see that the same issues that took place in the 60's still are going on today.

Racism and social issues that revolve around how institutions, corporations, law enforcement, politics etc confront this issue is still the same.

The problem with today's so called leaders it that, we don't have any real leaders that really want to change the community for the better. Most of these so called leaders just care about money and status.

There is no reason why there cant be leaders willing to risk their life and fight for the civil rights of black people like leaders did during the 60's.



But you implied that it is not as institutionalized and the opposite of institutionalized racism is overt racism and if that is not what you meant than you could have clarified that point better.




You are wrong.


It is more institutionalized now compared to the past. In the past, most of the racism was expressed explicitly through hangings, shootings, harassment and other forms of physical aggression.


Institutionalized racism does not only specifically consists of laws. It consists of the way jobs are created, classism, socioeconomic status, implicit forms of racism, i.e. standardized testing (biased testing implemented to weed out minorities who lack education on certain areas), job discrimination (i.e. picking a white person over a black person who is equally qualified) those types of issues reflect in institutionalized racism which is why those things are implemented. They keep minorities in the low socioeconomic class although it is not overtly expressed like it once was.

It is more institutionalized now because there is no longer segregation so they weed out minorities in a different way.






You gave more importance over "being an example" as the the resolution and if that is not what you meant you definitely implied it. But yes in conjuction to being a good role model, there needs to be someone actively make changes in the community.

Also, while I agree there are more minorities in policy compared to the 60's, there are still not an abundance of minorities in political positions. That is still an area that minority presence is still lacking.




If you read my first few posts I said that black youth rioted during the 60's as well. That point has already been made.

However, in today's generation, there are no black leaders to step in to re-direct the youth and guide them when these racial issues arise.

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1583531)

You know what? Forget it. It's obvious you're not even bothering to read anything I write so there's no point even having a conversation.

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1583528)

To be fair, most black people I've ever known have been mostly concerned with their own bubbles live too.

Originally Posted by WhateverDude (Post 1583534)

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to convey with this statement. Because some black people you know don't care about issues that don't effect them you shouldn't either? Is that what you're getting at?

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1583539)

No, you said that people don't care because it doesn't affect them, and I'm pointing out that people don't care about much of anything.

Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1583512)

I don't see the problem. Keep in mind I think this whole issue is dumb.

Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1583531)

You know what? Forget it. It's obvious you're not even bothering to read anything I write so there's no point even having a conversation.

Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1583543)

Then why the hell do you keep coming back in this thread?

We GET IT.


You don't care, now stop trolling.

Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1583530)

I don't see point at getting annoyed at Ki for participating in this thread when the part of the thread title is "Why do people get annoyed...?" I think we can equally ask "Why do people get annoyed at people who have a minority (or less popular) opinion about social issues?" I don't think Ki should be treated like a second class citizen for his opinions or his approach to the issues.

Originally Posted by WhateverDude (Post 1583509)

I totes forgot to respond to the question-

I haven't read most of the thread but I think the issue is people have a hard time empathizing with things they don't understand. And they don't understand because they're complacent and comfortable and being confronted by major issues upsets that and makes them feel accused. And instead of recognizing the effect of their apathy they get defensive because it's easier not to care.

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1583539)

No, you said that people don't care because it doesn't affect them, and I'm pointing out that people don't care about much of anything.

Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1583540)

Except on the internet where people care enough to voice their own opinions and correct everyone else' opinions.

Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1583540)

Except on the internet where people care enough to voice their own opinions and correct everyone else' opinions.

Originally Posted by WhateverDude (Post 1583552)

I'm not educated enough to offer an explanation on why that is largely the truth but I'd wager prejudice is involved. Perhaps I'm paranoid and perhaps I should be.



If I had the time, energy, and social skills I'd be more vocal about my opinions in person too.

Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1583554)

Its a discussion board and its designed for you to express your opinion on various topics period.

Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1582918)

However, lately I have been quite annoyed at the passiveness and disrespect that some people have for minorities who really care about the current racial problems concerning black people. Now I understand everyone doesn't care and won't be on the same page but I personally get irritated when some try to past off these issues as nothing or as things that don't matter.

I have always found that to be strange. I know some people don't like to discuss minority issues on this board and that is okay. No one is not making you reply in this thread please don't derail it with foolishness.

Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1583018)

Boo hoo, **** happens. The world isn't perfect.

Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1583551)

I agree. I think the people who are not targets of police brutality have a hard time identifying with the issue and don't see it as a problem. Also, imo when it comes to racial minority issues, white people tend to not want to admit when their race is at fault and are oblvious to the whole institutionalized systematic racism that plagues minorities today. The law enfrocement/police is all apart of that. I think a part of the reason why they are oblivious is because they don't experience racism on the same level as minorities. They dont have to worry about being racially profiled or being held back from their raise because of the color of their skin because they are born with white privilege.

Originally Posted by WhateverDude (Post 1583560)

The thread was started to ask why people like you respond the way you do to these issues on this forum and that was your first response. Followed by an insensitive joke and comparing white deaths at the hands of police to black deaths at the hand of police. It's a very specific discussion to which you've contributed nothing to.

Originally Posted by WhateverDude (Post 1583565)

I'm not sure how anyone could infer that much from your original post.

Originally Posted by Soulflower (Post 1583551)

I agree. I think the people who are not targets of police brutality have a hard time identifying with the issue and don't see it as a problem. Also, imo when it comes to racial minority issues, white people tend to not want to admit when their race is at fault and are oblvious to the whole institutionalized systematic racism that plagues minorities today. The law enfrocement/police is all apart of that. I think a part of the reason why they are oblivious is because they don't experience racism on the same level as minorities. They dont have to worry about being racially profiled or being held back from their raise because of the color of their skin because they are born with white privilege.

Originally Posted by WhateverDude (Post 1583571)

It's because of discussions like these that things have gotten to where they are today. If that's not a justification for having them I don't know what is. I'm too tired to follow what's going on in this thread right now.

Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth (Post 1583568)

the bolded text highlights one of the reasons why you run into hostile responses. you think about "race" like it's one single entity. like white people collectively share the guilt and actions of the white race. as if we were a colony of ants. people don't work that way.

Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth (Post 1583568)

the bolded text highlights one of the reasons why you run into hostile responses. you think about "race" like it's one single entity. like white people collectively share the guilt and actions of the white race. as if we were a colony of ants. people don't work that way.

Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth (Post 1583576)

i never denied white privilege. but i'm not taking responsibility for every black kid that gets shot by some cop either.