grtwhtgrvty

I never said that it should be ignored. I just don't think it warrants outrage.

Oriphiel

I agree, it's totally something he'd say, and it shouldn't necessarily reflect the views of the filmmakers. But you asked for other scenes in the movie besides the Black Widow thing that people took issue with and/or found "sexist", and so I gave you an example.

The Batlord

I get the feeling that the people who took issue with things like that probably weren't into the movie to begin with, so they weren't in the mindset of interpreting the dialogue in the context of the movie, and instead took it at face value.

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Moss

I'm kind of ok with sexist comic book movies.

Oriphiel

That could very well be the truth. We need to get a new Sansa, so we can have someone around for us to ask these things.

The Batlord

We already do. That's what grtwhtgrvty is for.

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Josef K

Well even though she wasn't calling herself a monster for being sterile, clearly she is sad about her sterility (so I guess I worded that last post wrong because I think the scene was sexist but not in the way people are saying), and the movie does sort of reduce her to not much more than a (not) mother and a love interest.

Honestly though the sexism isn't a huge deal to me, although it does exist. If it were a better movie, period, I'd probably care more about it, but as it is there are so many problems with the storytelling and the plot and the characters that the sexism just seems like kind of an awkward byproduct of those bigger problems? I don't know.

grtwhtgrvty

It is a big deal though. It's not a big deal when you look at it as a singular thing, but sexism isn't singular. It's representative of an ingrained, subconscious, gender ideology.

The problem isn't that this character is a sexist, patriarchal depiction of a woman (assuming she is for the sake of argument, I'm not arguing whether or not she is because I haven't seen the movie). The problem is the conditioning our society undergoes in order for sexism overall to be so casually placed in our media, which is what continues the cycle. Sexism is different than homophobia or racism because it is usually more subtle and underlying. It's also the next frontier of social revolution for progressives. It's way easier for the common person to spot homophobia over sexism because sexism is very subconscious and very ingrained and we are conditioned to be sexist because this innate perception of normality is rooted in literally every form of media that we have. It's not any particular person's fault, but it is something that has to change if we wish to progress as a society.

The Batlord

Really? I think she had much more of a part than Bruce Banner, making him more the love interest than her. When you think about it, it's actually kind of sexist to automatically view the female as the sex interest rather than the dude.

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Josef K

Weren't you just saying that you were against people caring about this specific instance of sexism? In the future, know that it helps to pick a position and stick with it instead of just disagreeing with everyone for the hell of it.

Anyway of course nothing you say is wrong, but it doesn't really apply and you're missing the point: that most of the sexism that I see in the movie would have been prevented if the movie had in general been made better. Like if it didn't have a billion characters, then maybe it would have had time to give Black Widow the depth she's had in previous movies. Maybe it wouldn't have focused so much on just the mother/love interest aspects, which it largely did because that's what's easy to do with a female character. Stuff like that.
Not seeing it for two reasons (in addition to "you're the real sexist!" being kind of a lazy argument). First, it really comes out of nowhere for Black Widow. It's kind of a letdown because she hasn't been very romance-focused in the series so far, and changing that leaves us with no female Avengers who aren't defined by a guy (it's also telling that her non-romantic role is largely reduced to "Hulk whisperer"). Second, this was a movie written by a man in a society in which women often are objectified and reduced to child-bearers and romantic interests. Based on that I think it's more likely that the intent was not to make Hulk more the love interest than her, and I also think that the people writing the movie should've recognized that, because we live in a society like I just described, the way I saw it was how it was going to look to a lot of people and they should've tried very hard to keep people from having that impression.

ETA: And GWG is gone again. Whatever.