open challenge: can anyone debunk this homophobic rhetoric?
 

this is a comedian that i like... i know most of you will hate him... thats whatever.

but he basically does **** where he alienates the audience a lot. and this was one of his bits. according to him he's not a real homophobe and doesn't believe this rhetoric, but when i listened to it some of it sounded pretty logical, if his facts are straight. i'm too lazy to double check all these random statistics... maybe somebody here has some insight.

i do see what i think are a few flaws with his logic here which i'll point out in another post. but for now i wanna see who can do the best job debunking him and who will just throw their arms up and have the predictable "i am outraged!!" type of half assed response.

i am outraged!!

I have half an ass....

I can't even give a rat's ass.

no surprises so far

Why don't you paraphrase the points he made that you would like to discuss? I made it to 8 minutes before I was bored out of my mind. I did laugh a couple times though, if that makes you feel any better.

You expected people to watch a mediocre 22 minute video and then write an essay about it?

yyyyyyeah temper your expectations next time

He didn't really make any points, he just stated statistics and related them to stereotypes of homosexual men.

i didn't expect anything

mostly i expect most people to shut out any information that doesn't conform with their preconceptions

I am outraged!

You actually watched this. :laughing: That's actually funny. ;).

I needed something to hate on to feel better about myself. It's a vicious cycle.

This seems like a good idea to me. The video is too long.

nah, if you can't be bothered to watch the video then you don't need to respond to this challenge.

and if you can't be bothered to summarize it why the **** would anyone respond to this "challenge"

The part where he talked about whether or not hubris was a contributing factor to the Kushite empire's loss of Egypt in the face of Assyrian aggression may have been erudite but I didn't find it especially funny. It wasn't particularly homophobic either though.

I watched more of it since my initial post, it still covers A LOT of shit, so yes you really need to verify what points you think are worth discussing.

i feel that i really shouldn't need to summarize it for you. if i do then people will just respond to the summary and ignore the video. i'd rather they just watch the video and then respond. if they don't feel like doing this then that's fine... i don't understand why it is you feel compelled to respond to my thread if you don't care. cause if the shoe were on the other foot and you were challenging me to debunk some video i didn't care to watch then i would just ignore your thread, lol.

in short: if you don't feel like investing the 10-20 minutes it would take to get the gist of the video then i think that's a pretty good indicator that whatever you're willing to put into your response won't be worth much to me anyway.

no i don't... respond to anything that you think is worth discussing.

You're an existing MB member who made a new account

Guarantee it

It's also a bannable offense but I'm not sure if mods will actually do anything about it

Not that I care but hey facts is facts

Despicable.

I know, right?

Shut up, you whore!

Wow, really, a "few" flaws in his logic?
Wasn't particularly homophobic?
Wow.

Ok, off the top of my head:

- One article on the Advocate where ONE gay may writes about HIS opinion that people's HIV status should be kept private DOES NOT equal ALL gay men feel this way. In fact, it's the opposite. What IS true, however, is there is a general movement away from stigmatizing HIV positive people and helping them lead more positive and inclusive lives, considering that HIV is now a manageable disease and is no longer a death sentence (unlike what this guy apparently thinks).

- Pedophilia has NOTHING to do with homosexuality and EVERYTHING to do with the age of the victims.

- NO country in the world has successfully eradicated homophobia, including the Netherlands (which, btw, is not a model for anything really, considering the recent spike in xenophobia). So yes, mental health issues in homosexuals are definitely still related with the fact that heterosexual people NEVER have to deal with the fact of coming out and acceptance within their own families and social groups and gay people obviously do. Even in the most liberal societies, it's still a very difficult and often traumatizing process.

- gay men are not inherently more promiscuous than straight men, they just have more opportunities. Correct me if I'm wrong, but every straight guy wants to f*ck as many p*ssies as possible, but the feeling is usually not mutual. There are exceptions to the rule, and some women certainly have an equally pronounced sex drive as men, but generally it's not a balanced equation, hence, less sex for heterosexual men. If women felt the same way about sex as men do, trust me, straight men would be more promiscuous too.

- incidentally, having lots of sex is not a perversion. It's called having fun. Because sex is fun. As long as you keep it safe. Even that guy would be super happy if he could put his d*ck in a random p*ssy, if they'd let him.
Some gay or straight men and women, prefer to be single and have sex with random people, most men and women, gay or straight, prefer to be in stable relationships.

- again, the so called "patient zero" is one gay person and does NOT represent the entire, VERY varied community.

- the barebacking community is one MINOR section of the gay community. MOST gay men are not that reckless.

All, clearly, biased and hateful bullsh*t. I could do the same thing, pull out random facts about the heterosexual community and make generalized, hateful statements like, most serial killers are heterosexual, white and male, I guess that means ALL heterosexual white males are serial killers?? Crap.

top kek

I just went ahead and changed the password on this account. If anyone wants the login credentials, talk to me in February.

Bravo. All of that flagrant sock puppeting needed to be stopped.

Sure does.

Dude! Not cool.

Very cool.

Definitely cool

so wait... if you get hiv these days it doesn't necessarily mean you'll eventually die of aids? was there a press release i missed or something?

right... i mean i'm not a math genius or anything but i think the point he was making was that since, even if they haven't eradicated homophobia in whatever country, if the homophobia is the cause of the mental illnesses then you should see the stats on mental illness fluctuate with the amount of homophobia. and he was saying that the stats stay pretty much constant regardless of the country. meaning all countries have the same amount of homophobia, if homophobia is the cause

i dunno if any of that is true, just demonstrating the logic for you

those stats wouldn't add up because serial killers represent a much smaller portion of the population than heterosexual white males... thus making your conclusion mathematically impossible.

Yes, antiretroviral treatment and drugs have been a reality for almost 20 years now. They not only significantly prolong the life expectancy of those with HIV to the point that HIV positive people are now expected to live as long as HIV negative people, but they also keep the virus levels so low they significantly reduce the chances of transmitting the virus to other people.

https://www.aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics...iv-treatments/

Management of HIV/AIDS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Obviously, a lot of work still needs to be done to educate people on HIV.

Well, I guess I could go and try to check up on his "facts", but considering that his premise is that homosexuals are mentally ill, I don't think I'll bother.

Not mathematically, but logically, same as every single conclusion he made in the video...;)

right, i get you can prolong their life expectancy. but that to me still makes it sound like they'll eventually die of aids, it'll just take longer. will they eventually die of aids?


yea, i also dislike confronting ideas that conflict with my ideological presuppositions about the world.

er... nah, mathematically. if there's 100 people in the population, and 50 of them are men, and 3 are serial killers, then it's mathematically impossible that all 50 men or even most of them are serial killers, even if all 3 serial killers are men.

that applies to any of his arguments if the math is similarly wrong. i dunno if it is or not. but if there were 45 serial killers instead of just 3, and all of them were men, then it would be accurate to say that most men are serial killers.

I have no idea, I'm not a doctor, I assume they just die of complications due to old age, and frankly, if you're 80 and you die of whatever, I think you made it quite far. So, you know, if someone tells you you've got HIV and you'll die of it in 70 years!! I assume you won't go into hysterics over it. :/

I wouldn't say they conflict with anything really, they're just really stupid conclusions based on cherry picked information. I have no idea where his "facts" are pulled from but for example, what we don't know is what is inside these "statistics", what is the age of these mentally ill people, what kind of problems do they suffer from, and most importantly, what causes them, aside from their "perversion", as claimed by the "esteemed scholar" you seem to find funny. Have you bothered to check any of his hateful bullsh!t and if you're too lazy to do some fact checking before you buy into something, why the hell should I bother doing it for you?

The saddest part of this thread for me is that there are obviously still people out there, like you, who can listen to this crap and BELIEVE some of it.

Ok good, good, you're onto something.

Nope, lost it.

This kinda reminds me of this:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...96fb7a130f05ed

So, again, MATHEMATICALLY, if one person says they don't wont to tell their sexual partners they are HIV positive, does that mean ALL gay people don't want to do that? I am a gay person and I can tell you I would definitely want to tell my partner. Where does that get us? You have one gay person who doesn't want to tell and one who does. What does that say about ALL gay people? Mathematically?

Here's another one, I personally know a hundred gay people who would NEVER do bareback. So I guess NO gay people ever want to do bearback.

I know a straight couple who is in an open relationship. Does that mean ALL straight couples are in open relationships?

Are you aware there are swingers clubs for heterosexual married people? Does that mean your mom and dad are swingers?

See where I'm going with this?

Like you, JWB. You're coming across like a total homophobic dick.

But (good for you) you don't care what anyone thinks.

JWB, the linear correlation between homophobia and related mental illness is completely fallacious. You're talking about people not accepting thing that go against their preconceived notions, but you seem to be guilty of that yourself.

If we have a community of 100 people and 10 of them are homosexual and 15 of them are homophobic (and the rest are complacent, not taking any sides) the homosexuals will be closeted and suppressed. Some percentage of them will become mentally ill as a result. If we double the number of homophobic people, it's not going to change much. When everyone else is complacent, it gives the impression that the whole of society agrees with the loudest negative voices (by not speaking against them). And the people who do snap and become mentally ill are going to depend on the nature of their home and interpersonal relationships, not the prevalence of homophobia in their country.

i reject the accusation that i'm homophobic. on a side note, why is everything 'phobic' these days? i mean if you're against a race then you're racist, if you're against a sex then you're sexist. but now everything is phobic. homophobic, transphobic, islamaphobic... er, i'm not scared of gays trains or muslims. a phobia is an intense irrational fear. what ever happened to just being a bigot?

but yea, i'm not bigoted against gays either. i think they should be able to get married, adopt children, die in the military, and purchase military grade automatic weapons just like every other god fearing american (except muslims).

also, i never said 'i don't care what anyone thinks.' that's just something you say about me. if i ever said it, then quote me. you just get that impression from me cause you're not used to conversing with someone who's not brainwashed by the liberal jewish media cartels like the rest of you people. (that's a joke, for all you antisemitephobes out there)