guns

The Batlord · 06-14-2015, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy

In Germany there's a law that says guns have to be kept in a safe at all times, and it has to be a serious safe, nothing you can open with just a little key. There was a school shooting a few years ago, where it turned out that the perpetrator's father didn't secure the guns as well as he should have and if I remember correctly he got sued the **** out of him.

So what happens if he needs the gun? Spin that lock quick as a mother****er?

grindy · 06-14-2015, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

So what happens if he needs the gun? Spin that lock quick as a mother****er?

Oh we don't use the guns here, we just keep them in safes and enjoy the thought of having them.

The Batlord · 06-14-2015, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy

Oh we don't use the guns here, we just keep them in safes and enjoy the thought of having them.

I guess you'll be ****ed, but at least your money'll be able to blow that sucker away.

grindy · 06-14-2015, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I guess you'll be ****ed, but at least your money'll be able to blow that sucker away.

I guess the chance of someone in the household harming others or oneself with a badly secured gun is much higher than the chance of a home invasion or something of that sort happening, where having a gun would be helpful, but it's out of reach because the safe is too damn safe.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 06-14-2015, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by fiddler

JWB: the interesting part is that just about everything you're proposing is already in place to some extent. For instance possessing an unregistered firearm is a crime, and it's a parole violation. A background check is ran on everyone attempting to purchase a firearm. In NC it's a two day wait period.

'to some extent' is the key, to me.

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The truth is that fanatics like the NRA steams from your second amendment right to "A well armed militia necessary for the security of the free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." They take the bear arms part and forget the militia part. I think that the two are dependent on one another, otherwise they would have made it a separate amendment or so. In these modern times, do we really need a militia? Apparently so according to the people in Michigan think so as they maintain a militia.

sounds kind of silly to me

pretty sure the real military could pwn them

fiddler · 06-14-2015, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

'to some extent' is the key, to me.

sounds kind of silly to me

pretty sure the real military could pwn them

Of course they can. The professional army if they really wanted to would stomp all over that militia. Point is though we no longer need a militia to defend the homeland from invaders. Which makes the second amendment outdated and needs to be updated. There's a debate about if they go hand and hand or not.

Chula Vista · 06-14-2015, 08:54 AM

I have one of these bolted to a dresser - you can't get at the bolts without it being open.

http://www.amazon.com/Stack--QAS-450...ck+on+gun+safe

I can get it open in about 5 seconds. The gun is loaded but not chambered. I figure me yelling "I have a gun" while racking the slide (such a cool sound), would be a good deterrent.

Read a great book about the 2nd amendment. It was a bunch of legal types trying to fully dissect the meaning of that key phrase: "A well armed militia necessary for the security of the free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Basically they surmised that the founding father's really ****ed up with how they worded it. They left it too wide open to interpretation.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 06-14-2015, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by fiddler

Of course they can. The professional army if they really wanted to would stomp all over that militia. Point is though we no longer need a militia to defend the homeland from invaders. Which makes the second amendment outdated and needs to be updated. There's a debate about if they go hand and hand or not.

i said that cause i have encountered a lot of pro gun people who seem to think the 2nd amendment is for protecting the people from govt tyranny/making it possible to overthrow the govt if need be

fiddler · 06-14-2015, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

i said that cause i have encountered a lot of pro gun people who seem to think the 2nd amendment is for protecting the people from govt tyranny/making it possible to overthrow the govt if need be

Yeah...uh...the Confederacy tried that and we all know how that turned out. Realistically it's a bad idea. And people can think what they like about our gov't, but I'll take ours over some of the piles of turd that I've seen any day of the week.

DwnWthVwls · 06-14-2015, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

i said that cause i have encountered a lot of pro gun people who seem to think the 2nd amendment is for protecting the people from govt tyranny/making it possible to overthrow the govt if need be

This was always my understanding of it.. It's just such a dated concept. The idea of modern revolution via physical combat to overthrow the government is laughable. It was reasonable when it was written though.

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Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	I have one of these bolted to a dresser - you can't get at the bolts without it being open. http://www.amazon.com/Stack--QAS-450...ck+on+gun+safe I can get it open in about 5 seconds. The gun is loaded but not chambered. I figure me yelling "I have a gun" while racking the slide (such a cool sound), would be a good deterrent. Read a great book about the 2nd amendment. It was a bunch of legal types trying to fully dissect the meaning of that key phrase: "A well armed militia necessary for the security of the free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Basically they surmised that the founding father's really ****ed up with how they worded it. They left it too wide open to interpretation. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”