He won't be President, and a lot of people with guns will be angry about it.

And he says that dumb **** to an applauding audience. He truly is the president America deserves. Let him slash taxes, skyrocket spending with his insane projects, worsen US relations with the entire world and further **** **** up. It'll be cool.

It will be cool until the nations that depend on us for defense (including ourselves) don't have US for defense any more and start becoming targets.

There is only one possible response...

Like that's really going to happen. How about we come up with a comprehensive way to insure that mentally ill and/or racist people don't shoot up schools, Church groups, and movie theaters.
Or a comprehensive way to insure that Christian nuts don't kill abortion clinic staff. Or a comprehensive way to insure that anti-government people don't blow up federal buildings.

Trump is a fascist demagogue. Pure and simple. Did he not get the memo that most of the recent extremist Islamic shootings/bombings were carried out by US citizens?

The folks cheering wildly at his post "ban Muslims" Trump events should chew on this.

10 of the Worst Terror Attacks by Extreme Christians and Far-Right White Men | Alternet

I think your terror attack example is skewed by the ease at which those groups/people can do it compared to ISIS/muslims. There is no racial profiling or terrorist watch groups (that I'm aware of) for the kinds of people who committed the crimes in your link. Don't you think if ISIS could regularly terrorize us than they would do it more often?

Agree. And that's what makes Trumps proposal so absurd. Ban millions of Muslims to try and weed out a handful of ISIS radicals? What's the procedure?

Hey you with the beard and dark skin, are you ISIS?

Fascists are fun people tho....

The funny thing here is, you're talking about racial profiling, judging people based on "Risk Factors" that essentially boil down to religion, skin colour, place of origin and geopolitical ties.

Of those, only geopolitical ties are a valid criteria for judging the "Risk" an individual poses to the US or any other country, western or not, ISIS affiliated or not, and the fact is, it is not hard to hide those ties, or obfuscate them effectively.

Every other one of those judgements comes solely from a place that says "We admit we do not have the first ****ing clue about how to separate a peace loving family from the middle east compared to a radical militant group"

It's going up against guerilla tactics and infiltration tactics with a nuke. You can only possibly achieve one of two things.

One is that you kill, hurt, destroy the lives of millions of people who did nothing wrong, or worse, were trying to escape violence that had nothing to do with them. You deny them an opportunity to find the safety they FULLY AND TRULY DESERVE.

But at least you got rid of some bad people along with your incalculable collateral damage.

The other is that you find yourself unable to actually use the weapon you've got effectively, because your opponent simply hides in the ****ing forest where you can't find them and takes pot shots when they can - a war of attrition that will cost you vastly more, as a heavily funded and provisioned military force, than it will cost them as a poorly funded guerrilla group.

I mean ****, most ISIS related terror activities were financed through legal means and cost less than $10,000 to pull off. And you're suggesting banning muslim immigration in it's entirety, which will cost millions. A win for ISIS then, right? They've hurt you financially hundreds of times over the cost of any operation they might go in for planning, just by continuing to EXIST.


It's an idiotic plan and, as I said, can only possibly make sense to the kind of person that sees nothing wrong with making themselves an unwitting target of hatred by endorsing full-spectrum political profiling of people based on race and religion.

Hey welcome back GB! Nice to see ya! :thumb:

Agree with all your points. Also, surely ostracising Muslims is going to play right into the hands of IS and their recruiters? Create more jihadists?