Yes I understand that, but you made it about credibility when you started spewing non-sense about straight people not having the right to celebrate this triumph in human rights.

I'd like to see the receipts.

I didn't say that. I think there are lots of individual straight people who have done good things for the gay rights movement. At the point where they're contributing something unique - coming up with legal strategy, lobbying politicians, even, yes, going to rallies and events, whatever - they absolutely deserve credit for that. But I think that's the distinction you're missing. Maybe a straight person deserves credit for taking time out of their day to do stuff like go to rallies, or to do all the other things I mentioned above, but they don't deserve gratitude just for believing that gay people have a right to exist and to live happy, equal lives.

This liberating concentration camps analogy is absurd though. When going to a rally and maybe holding a flag comes with as much cost as, you know, fighting in World War II, maybe I'll buy that argument. Not to say those actions aren't worthy of praise at all, I guess, but it's not the same.

ETA: Reading the posts of yours that got in ahead of me, I don't think we substantially disagree. I maybe would have phrased that initial post differently though.

did they vote in favor of gay marriage because that's what the majority supports? if the majority didn't support gay marriage, do you think the supreme court should have banned it instead?

as for my view being oversimplified... haters gon hate. :dj: reread my initial post and you'll see i said "i think this sort of demonstrates my point" not "this is a clear cut case of autocracy at work." in fact the main distinction between the type of "representative democracy/republic" that the U.S. is set up to be, and a pure democracy like you seem to think i was saying the U.S. is, is that our form of govt explicitly injected a bit more centralized/federal control (i.e. autocracy or plutocracy) in order to protect us from 'too much democracy' (i.e. mob rule).

Josef you're still not getting it. I didn't say they deserve gratitude for their beliefs. I said they deserve gratitude for their contributions. Everyone who contributed deserves gratitude. Gay, straight, trans, two-spirit, gender fluid. If you actively made this happen the people you fought for should be grateful for your contributions, and you should be giving yourself a pat on the back as well.

and here's your receipt Gravity:

Yeah fair enough - see my edit.

Literally what. I can quote random sentences too out of context.

READ.

Without knowing people on a personal level you have no idea how gay rights violations have affected anyone's personal life.

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Yeah the straight man who talks about his sex life with his wife constantly and called me autistic totally has dealt with the hardships of being gay. Do you even realize all of the psychological bull**** gay pepole go through from the second they realize they are gay? There's a reason the suicide rates are so high.

What does that have to do with what I said? You can argue with Chula about that, it doesn't negate my point.

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