bernie sanders 4 prez

William_the_Bloody · 05-27-2016, 06:33 PM

Actually I guess it's not a scam when you think about it. If a superdelegates weight is the same as a regular delegates than it shouldn't matter. After all, they have the right to vote as well.

Chula Vista · 05-27-2016, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody

Actually I guess it's not a scam when you think about it. If a superdelegates weight is the same as a regular delegates than it shouldn't matter. After all, they have the right to vote as well.

Bingo. And it's fair to all candidates since the super-delegates were free to choose either Bernie or Hillary.

Question: Name the last president that brought the US to ****? And/or define what **** would mean.

And let's remember that one of the biggest things at stake this election will be the supreme court nominee. If Trump gets elected things remain status quo and maybe with a really strong push from the hard Christian right, Roe v Wade get's appealed.

If Clinton gets elected the balance of the courts shifts away from the current 5-4 conservative edge and maybe it would be Citizens United that get appealed instead.

That's a major reason to vote Dem instead of not voting at all because you dislike both options.

**Frownland** · 05-27-2016, 07:15 PM

Bush, Andrew Johnson

Chula Vista · 05-27-2016, 07:22 PM

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Bush, Andrew Johnson

100% Agreed.

I'd add Harding and Buchanan. And Nixon is up there too.

Xurtio · 05-27-2016, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

If Trump gets elected things remain status quo and maybe with a really strong push from the hard Christian right, Roe v Wade get's appealed.

If Clinton gets elected the balance of the courts shifts away from the current 5-4 conservative edge and maybe it would be Citizens United that get appealed instead.

I'm not sure if I believe either of these. Trump doesn't come off as particularly religious to me and he's always had moderate stances on civil rights issues like abortion and I don't know if I believe Clinton stands against CU or if she just borrowed that rhetoric from Sanders (as she often does). After all, she relies on it.

I actually feel like a lot of swing, independent, and moderate conservative voters are supporting Trump and he could shift the party leftish. Whereas a Sanders presidency could cause bitterness to brew in the conservative party and keep them status quo while the democratic party evolves.

In addition to a president that will challenge the status quo, we need fresh congress.

Chula Vista · 05-27-2016, 07:37 PM

It's not up to Clinton or Trump to appeal either Roe v Wade or CU. It's the supreme court.

Chula Vista · 05-27-2016, 07:41 PM

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Even your darling DNC chair, Washingboard-Shits, says that you shouldn't be counting the superdelegates as something that means something (even tho she spent years with Shillary courting them with promises,
money and goods).

Well, we see where you are coming from.

A super-delegate vote right now counts for just as much as a regular delegate. One vote. And those votes are counted as part of winning the nomination. See. Pretty easy when you boil it down and cut through all of the BS.

Clinton needs 73 more votes. Sanders needs 841. We'll check back after the 7th and see where they stand.

Paul Smeenus · 05-27-2016, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

It's not up to Clinton or Trump to appeal either Roe v Wade or CU. It's the supreme court.

Err, no, it'd be Congress

Chula Vista · 05-27-2016, 07:49 PM

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Err, no, it'd be Congress

Well them too. But it would take ratification by at least 38 states after Congress voted to do it to make it happen.

William_the_Bloody · 05-27-2016, 07:56 PM

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PLEASE, PLEASE do research on what a superdelegate means -
how the people and numbers were obtained (for example, you did know that Clinton
had an overwhelming number of them before Sanders even announced his candidacy?).
Also, you need to understand what it means to be a superdelegate pre-July 25 - essentially nothing.
Even your darling DNC chair, Washingboard-Shits, says that you shouldn't be counting the superdelegates
as something that means something (even tho she spent years with Shillary courting them with promises,
money and goods). Please, please learn about the process - especially the number of delegates that are
up for grabs on the 7th for example (that would be 694 delegates in case you didn't know).

Oh, and SCOTUS is NOT a 5-4 decision-maker now - didn't you hear?
Also, Clinton is bound to pick someone more to the right than Merrick Garland
(or maybe even pick Garland himself?), so I wouldn't count on a progressive new member of SCOTUS
with Clinton in office (whose tied or under Trump in electability right now - and it's continuing downhill as we write).

As long as 1 Howard Dean vote or 1 Barney Frank vote counts as 1 regular delegate vote than why should it matter?

If they weren't superdelegates they would still be getting courted with patronage promises from Hillary all the same.

The real reason Hillary is winning is because until recently she's been cornered the black vote, which is essential if you want to win the Democratic nomination.

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William_the_Bloody Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Sunnydale Cemetary Posts: 2,093	Actually I guess it's not a scam when you think about it. If a superdelegates weight is the same as a regular delegates than it shouldn't matter. After all, they have the right to vote as well.