John Wilkes Booth

fair enough. seriously though i don't think biden has it. he's another john kerry type. hillary seems like a better choice than biden... just in terms of marketability. and i really don't care fore hillary.

William_the_Bloody

I would tend to agree as the latest polls show that Hillary has a much larger spread on Walker & Bush than Biden does.

Biden's challenge is that he belongs to a presidency that has never hit 3.0 in gdp growth. That is pretty abysmal, and is not the stellar legacy that Clinton left Gore.

Which is why I believe Hillary is running so strongly in the polls, people remember the roaring nineties under Clinton, they were fun and prosperous times. As one of Bill Clinton's top aides once said, "It's the economy stupid."

William_the_Bloody

Bernie Sanders: Just how far will the socialist vote go in the United States?

Its hard not to dislike Bernie Sanders, even if you think his economic & tax polices would be a disaster for the United States, you cannot deny the fact that he appears to possess what few politicians have, integrity, honesty, and a willingness to stand against the lobbyists & the interests of wall street.

However the question has to be asked, just how far will the socialist vote go in the U.S.?

We have seen this surge before when Ralph Nader ran for President in 2000, who despite his popularity in the polls during the election received less than 3% of the vote.

In fairness, many democrats switched over to Gore at the last minute in order to vote for the lesser of two evils, but with Sanders running in the primaries, we might get a more accurate assessment of just how far the socialist vote goes within the Democratic party, especially if the Hillary email scandal starts to damage her run.

Here are some of the current challenges for Sanders....

1) Sanders has trouble appealing to centrists within the party with moderates viewing him just as unfavorably as favorably....

Bernie Sanders’s limited appeal — even to Democrats - The Washington Post

2) As of yet, he has a limited appeal amongst low income voters, particularly in minority communities, & this is where it gets interesting, because you would think this is where the hard left vote would come from, but it does not. In fact, outside of the African American vote, Obama who was viewed to the left of Clinton also had trouble picking up moderate votes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/09/up...abt=0002&abg=0

Which begs the question? Is this just a question of education? social values? or is it because low income voters don't want to take the chance with an economic platform that could hurt them the most via a slowdown?

In other words how far will the socialist vote go in the US?

To be fair Sanders is not a socialist, he does not advocate for nationalization of industry, (though he does advocate for worker co-ops) but he is a strong social democrat and pump and prime Keynesian, here are some links to his policies.

Agenda for America: 12 Steps Forward

https://berniesanders.com/issues/

Justthefacts

I'm pretty willing to give this a guy a chance. To me there's nothing wrong with the government willing to help us out as much as possible and to stop the rich from getting richer, and to end this bogus health care system, and to make college free, and for the minimum wage to be $15. Shit all that sounds great!

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William_the_Bloody

I like Bernie Sander as well, I think he would do his best to change the culture of campaign corruption and lobbyism in the United States.

Although I am not a fan of deficit spending, I also think he would have the guts to enact a large enough stimulus to get the economy roaring, worked for FDR & economists like Paul Krugman has been screaming for one for years.

In the long run though Americans would have to ask themselves if they would want to become the United States of Europe. Germany and France both have much lower annual GDP growth rates than the US, so it would mean a higher cost of living and inevitably ceding the world stage as the global superpower to China.

So for me, the ultimate swing voter, I'm routing for another candidate at the moment.