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Lisnaholic 09-15-2019 09:26 AM

^ Unless things have changed since my day, I'm embarrassed to say that a lot of school-children in England don't make much distinction either. In fairness, it can be confusing, what with the English language, the UK, Great Britain and the British Isles.

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Originally Posted by Fluff (Post 2078106)
I see the European Parliament have said they are open to an extension. But its going to be a hilarious No Deal Brexit apparently :rolleyes:

^ Although the Brexit deadline gets ever closer, I see some hopeful signs that No Deal will be avoided. There's a bill prohibiting No Deal, there are politicians abandoning Boris Johnson and trying to get his prorogation declared illegal. Today the Lib Dem party has finally commited to a Remain position too.

Boris Johnson has also undercut one of his own arguments. He was proudly championing the people, claiming to honour their democratic choice in the Referendum, but by closing Parliament for a month to freeze out any discussion, his credentials of defending democracy now look pretty weak.

One thing I keep expecting to hear from the Remainers is that someone hits on my own analogy for the whole "We must respect the referendum" argument. It goes like this: Saying you wanted Brexit in the referendum was like going into a shoeshop and saying you want a pair of shoes. When that happens, if all the shoes turn out to be too expensive, you can walk out without buying anything. With Brexit, though, Boris Johnson is blocking the door of the shop, saying "Three years ago you said you wanted some shoes so now you have to buy some regardless of how much they cost." IMO, that's not democracy, that's unfair trading practices.

Mindfulness 09-15-2019 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2078219)
^ Unless things have changed since my day, I'm embarrassed to say that a lot of school-children in England don't make much distinction either. In fairness, it can be confusing, what with the English language, the UK, Great Britain and the British Isles.



^ Although the Brexit deadline gets ever closer, I see some hopeful signs that No Deal will be avoided. There's a bill prohibiting No Deal, there are politicians abandoning Boris Johnson and trying to get his prorogation declared illegal. Today the Lib Dem party has finally commited to a Remain position too.

Boris Johnson has also undercut one of his own arguments. He was proudly championing the people, claiming to honour their democratic choice in the Referendum, but by closing Parliament for a month to freeze out any discussion, his credentials of defending democracy now look pretty weak.

One thing I keep expecting to hear from the Remainers is that someone hits on my own analogy for the whole "We must respect the referendum" argument. It goes like this: Saying you wanted Brexit in the referendum was like going into a shoeshop and saying you want a pair of shoes. When that happens, if all the shoes turn out to be too expensive, you can walk out without buying anything. With Brexit, though, Boris Johnson is blocking the door of the shop, saying "Three years ago you said you wanted some shoes so now you have to buy some regardless of how much they cost." IMO, that's not democracy, that's unfair trading practices.

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OccultHawk 09-15-2019 10:07 AM

I think the Brexit referendum is more like buying the shoes with a credit card and then balking at the bill.

Lisnaholic 09-15-2019 10:57 AM

Thanks for running with my analogy, OH. For me, the prob with your version is that no-one is wearing Brexit shoes until Oct 31. We still have just over a month to say "Sorry, these are too tight, I can't possibly walk in them. Please put them back in the box." After that, yeah, you wore them home, so you have to pay: no refunds.

OccultHawk 09-15-2019 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2078228)
Thanks for running with my analogy, OH. For me, the prob with your version is that no-one is wearing Brexit shoes until Oct 31. We still have just over a month to say "Sorry, these are too tight, I can't possibly walk in them. Please put them back in the box." After that, yeah, you wore them home, so you have to pay: no refunds.

Somewhere in the middle? Has the UK apologized and told the EU you don’t want out after all? It’s a tricky situation. Not just for y’all but for Europe, too.

The Batlord 09-15-2019 04:17 PM

Doesn't have to be tricky. England gave Europe the finger so Europe should reciprocate.

OccultHawk 09-15-2019 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2078249)
Doesn't have to be tricky. England gave Europe the finger so Europe should reciprocate.

Belfast should insist on staying and reunite with Dublin.

K Addict 09-16-2019 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2078219)
^ Unless things have changed since my day, I'm embarrassed to say that a lot of school-children in England don't make much distinction either. In fairness, it can be confusing, what with the English language, the UK, Great Britain and the British Isles.



^ Although the Brexit deadline gets ever closer, I see some hopeful signs that No Deal will be avoided. There's a bill prohibiting No Deal, there are politicians abandoning Boris Johnson and trying to get his prorogation declared illegal. Today the Lib Dem party has finally commited to a Remain position too.

Boris Johnson has also undercut one of his own arguments. He was proudly championing the people, claiming to honour their democratic choice in the Referendum, but by closing Parliament for a month to freeze out any discussion, his credentials of defending democracy now look pretty weak.

One thing I keep expecting to hear from the Remainers is that someone hits on my own analogy for the whole "We must respect the referendum" argument. It goes like this: Saying you wanted Brexit in the referendum was like going into a shoeshop and saying you want a pair of shoes. When that happens, if all the shoes turn out to be too expensive, you can walk out without buying anything. With Brexit, though, Boris Johnson is blocking the door of the shop, saying "Three years ago you said you wanted some shoes so now you have to buy some regardless of how much they cost." IMO, that's not democracy, that's unfair trading practices.




I think not enough emphasis has been put on how the referendum result was corruptly won because vote Leave was fined £61,000 for breaking electoral law.
If the result had been legally binding it would have been declared null and void. However, the referendum was only advisory so the courts could not overturn it. This contrasts with the Alternative Vote referendum in 2011 which was legally binding.

The Batlord 09-16-2019 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2078324)
Belfast should insist on staying and reunite with Dublin.

Nah **** that I missed out on most of the Troubles. Bring that **** back.

Mindfulness 09-17-2019 05:40 PM

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