UK Politics
 

A forum for UK politics, because everything on here is American, and because I have relatives in the old country that bemoan and grumble on and on about the state of the UK.

Fun fact: Speaking out against the monarchy is still technically illegal in the UK and may lead to harsh penalties

Like being forced to listen to One Direction. Cruel and unusual, indeed.

Edit: can we do Irish politics here too?

I was going to post a thread for the EU referendum, could a mod possibly add an in or out poll?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u5uWyHJ5A4

I'm by no means a Cameron fan, but (for anyone who doesn't know) he was quoting Corbyn, who kind of said his death was a tragedy a while back.

Someone should have told that to the Sex Pistols.

Northern Ireland for sure, but Ireland as a whole is kind of separate from the UK.

I think he's finally admitting that Ireland only ever mattered as a part of Britain. Now they're just kind of... there. I think they have running water and electricity now, though.

I heard that to. Apparently you can actually make a phone call to Ireland now.

Rumour has it, that they finally have dial up telephones, apparently they still have to spin the telephone crank pretty fast to dial out though, but good to see that they're catching up. :)

This is uncomfirmed, as who would want to call Ireland, anyway?

Maybe one day they'll even get those new-fangled "smart phones" I keep hearing about.

And do they use British spelling in Canada? I notice that you spell "rumor" with a "u". And that you keep using "Cheers!", which I've never heard an American say.

Yes in Canada we remained loyal to the queen and followed the rules, unlike you hoodlums down south.

See, we 'Muricans have pride at having thrown off the yoke of our colonial oppressors, whereas Canada only gained independence when Britain allowed them to.

Americans = leaders and action
Canada = followers and wussiness

Lol, touché, we did kick your a$$ in 1812 though.

So... US 956, Canada 1?

When did the US kick are a$$??? Never, they wouldn't dare mess with us, they know they would be getting a whooping lol.

British-backed Canucks won a few battles while our attention was directed toward the real war with the British. Congratulations on accomplishing **** all.

Nonsense, we defeated your invasion and our colonial administrator ordered the burning down of the Whitehouse.

You mean the British burned down the Whitehouse?

Yes, but our colonial administrator ordered it. There is a debate though if their were Canadian platoons during the raid on Washington.

Anyhow getting off topic so to get back on track. We were talking about ideologies before, so here's my latest thought on UK politics:

I think the best thing that Cameron can do to quell Scottish Nationalism, is to give the SNP more power like the Province of Quebec has with Canada.

My reasoning is this, right now the SNP holds the utopia card in that they can offer the Scottish people a grander vision of an independent Scotland with rolling green fields and bountiful happiness for everyone.

The Labour Party use to hold the utopian card, but because they've been in power, and sold out to get back into Westminster, they no longer have it. (Hence getting wiped out up North)

So I say give the SNP more power to govern, let them engage in the same tax and spend policies that ran the Province of Quebec into the ground. If you give the Scots a true taste of SNP utopia, they may find they don't want it.

Both Quebec and Scotland also have something else in common, theyre both in urgent need of more immigrants, Scotland for example desperately needs immigrants as it has an ageing population and needs to balance its level of pensioners and working age adults.

i assume by "irish politics" you mean a bottle full of gasoline with a burning rag sticking out of its neck

this is literally akin to bragging about beating up the greatest fighter in the world when he was an infant

anything before ww2 doesn't really count if we're being honest about the situation

Lol. Trollheart doesn't appreciate making light of "The Troubles", so this should be good.

We were actually pretty badass around WWI, we just hadn't reached our imperial potential yet.

"pretty badass," maybe

but we weren't the sole military superpower that we became post-ww2

True, but we probably could have taken any one country in the world at that point.

Quebec has personal control over the amount of immigration they receive into their Province each year via the Canada-Quebec Accord of 1991, and with the average Quebec sovereignist mindset aligning itself closely to the likes of Marine Le Pen, I doubt that things will change much. They've got things pretty comfy right now, I think they would rather hang onto Canada that risk the economic stagnation that comes with demographic decline.

The SNP on the other hand seems pretty pro multicultural in wanting to loosen immigration controls. The UK has lots of immigrants, the problem is, is they all want to head to London & the south where it's warm. Independence might fall in their favour in this regard, as they could directly take in a lot of immigrants from India and the middle east to counteract their demographic decline.

I would guess outside of London the south of England has a population of 85% white British at the least. Can't imagine anywhere there with a large immigrant population (Bristol perhaps)

Glasgow has got quite a high Asian immigrant population by Scotland's standards, Birmingham and Leicester (Midlands) have loads of all sorts, if the latter isn't the first UK city where whites are a minority it will be very soon. I'm sure I read something that white kids in schools are minorities there. Bradford also, high Asian immigration (much of Yorkshire is the same really I guess).

If you mean warm as in the weather, well there's hardly any difference between the south and north of the England in terms of temperature, it's not like somebody having to choose between New York or Los Angeles for example :)

Scotland though is a harsher climate but immigrants are usually never that bothered about climates anyway, take Canada for example the huge amount of immigrants are not going there for the warm weather but for economic opportunities. Also Scotland does have a reputation for a negative attitude towards visible immigrants so that doesn't help either.

You forgot Southampton which has a large immigrant population and you could also include Cradiff which is just across from Bristol.

Good post.

Wiki saying Soton 93% white? True about Cardiff but when you say 'the south' most are going to assume southern England, Wales is Wales Scotland is Scotland, north/south divide etc.

I just mentioned Cardiff as it is just a stones throw from Bristol. In fact the only part of England that does not really have a visible immigrant population is the south west excluding Bristol and the east like Norwich and Lincoln.

Well immigration doesn't have to be non white, I understand that you've had a huge influx of Eastern Europeans into the UK as a result of being part of the EU.

I'm just trying to figure out why no one heads North, if its not climate than it must be jobs.

My reasoning for immigrants from India and the middle east is because if the SNP achieves independence, and then gets mopped up by the EU (The most likely end result) I can't think why anyone from Poland or Romania would want to move to Glasgow when they can go to Berlin, London or Paris. The Scots would have to bring in people from countries where Scotland can provide a significant improvement in people's standard of living.

An independent Scotland is not going to attract EU migrants, honestly Belgrade would be more appealing than Glasgow.


That's it than, it's about economic opportunities, that explains it.

A negative attitude towards visible minorities, really? Are SNP supporters aware of their party's strong stance on immigration and multiculturalism?

The NDP was leading our current election in Canada largely as a result of Quebec, until their stance on multicultural & immigration issues (niqab, Syrian refugees) became more clear, now they're dumping them and going back to the separatist party, which is rather culturally nationalist.

A bummer for me, I need the NDP in power, at least for 1 term.

PS: I underline stuff just so my long paragraphs are easier and not boring to read.

True, lots of Poles and Romanians. If you mean north of England, Liverpool and Manchester have large numbers of Irish, going back decades, I'd guess probably 30% of the people there have at least one Irish grandparent, same goes for Brum. Liverpool has the oldest black communities in the UK and Manchester plus it's surrounding towns have quite a lot of Asians too.

Jobs I don't know, if I was an immigrant I would be thinking I probably wouldn't want to go to London. It is multicultural but the people I know who have gone there to live and work say it's kind of shit to live in unless you're loaded.

Any reason why?

Boo! Ye English bastads! :ar_15s:
Please back this up with facts and links, not pure speculation.
Yes, to but not from.
We all have such powerful voices in Ireland that we don't need phones. We just shout out of the window to make a call.
Any phone bein' smart round here is gonna have trouble, right lads?


Sure we wouldn't waste a good bottle like that! We're Irish! Gasoline is just the last thing ye drink when there's no poteen left. Or is that the other way round?

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I was under the impression that you didn't appreciate IRA and Potato Famine jokes. Please clear this up, as I have been holding back for years.

honestly i could see muslims legit taking over europe and installing a 21st century caliphate within the next century.... thats how pussy uk/europe has become

nobody respects you anymore and you don't respect yourselves

The reason being is that the UK currently has a GDP per capita of 41,787, if Scottland breaks away their GDP and economic growth will be a mere 16,944.

If your an EU migrant from Eastern Europe your going to want to go to the place that offers you the best economic opportunity of a better life, which means Scotland isn't going to be at the top of their list, especially if you can go somewhere warmer like Italy.


Lol, yes I hear that happens a lot after you guys down a gallon of Whiskey. I think that's why 2/3rds of the world's alcohol is consumed in Ireland :) jk of course.

I never know how to gauge how much of a problem muslim immigration in Europe actually is. You have the mindlessly multicultural uber-libs on one side, saying everything's great and the people saying otherwise are racists, and on the other you have the racists. The people in the middle seem to not want to sound like the latter, and so it's hard to trust their opinions either.

Stories of honor killings, Sharia courts, and burkas happening in Europe don't exactly make things sound hunky dory though.

They do head north as well, the population of England is grouped in about four regions 1. London and the south east which is one of the richest regions in Europe 2. Birmingham and the Midlands 3. Manchester and Liverpool and 4. Cities of Yorkshire. The last two I put here are in the north.

You are making the mistake of thinking immigrants move to a location because of the climate or how nice a city is, the reality is they will move to a location for work opportunities, contacts there or possible benefits etc. If an immigrant has better opportunities offered in Glasgow than he does in Paris, it is almost certain that he will pick Glasgow everytime, now if he was a student or somebody moving out of choice then he would pick Paris, Glasgow has a reputation of being an ugly city whereas Edinburgh is regarded as one of the nicest cities in the whole of the UK, so not all is grim in Scotland .

I've been to Belgrade and believe me ugly Glasgow is better. :)

Italy might be much nicer than Scotland but it is what is known as a transit country for lots of immigrants, as they are often treated like immigrants in these countries, lack worker rights and are offered poor conditions, whereas in northern europe of where Scotland is their conditions will be a lot better,

Its a daily obessesion here with the daily press to go on about the amount of immigrants that flood into the UK on a weekly basis or how our society is gradually being turned in a secondary muslim state etc. I can tell you both points are complete bollocks and this is the one time where the freedom of the press should have some kind of control placed over it as they keep on harping over these points rather than reporting real news.

The UK as far as Europe goes is a pretty hard country for an immigrant to get into for a number of reasons and the muslim issue is something I've hardly ever noticed, in fact it's much more of an issue in a country like France than it is in the UK.

I've travelled to a whole load of countries around the world and I can honestly say that the UK is one of the best to live in, weighing up all the pros and cons.

Hi, I'm Frownland, nice to meet you.

You're a goofball. You don't count.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7...how much further should I go to get you to admit that your anecdotal evidence isn't realistic?

Did you just count at me?