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Lisnaholic 01-14-2019 06:00 PM

^ :laughing: Good point!

Cuthbert 01-15-2019 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2033743)
^ Yes, and I can't believe that with something so important to the UK's future, I have no idea what result would be best for the country, what with all these options swirling around:
May's Deal, Crash out, postpone Brexit date, General Election, Second Referendum.
Is it me or has Brit politics become some inscrutable dithering morass that is beyond the comprehension of the electorate?

Best result:

Deal voted down, Brexit cancelled and a General Election called.

J-Dogg in number 10 by the summer.

Vote is happening in an hour. It looks absolutely nuts outside Parliament Square.

🇬🇧🇪🇺

Cuthbert 01-15-2019 12:41 PM

Deal rejected.

MPs voting for - 202
MPs voting against - 432

She lost by 230, which is more than was even predicted.

The Batlord 01-15-2019 12:43 PM

Does this mean that Britain looks like a bunch of morons who don't know what they want and the rest of Europe is going to ignore anything they say because they don't even know if they want to be here?

Cuthbert 01-16-2019 05:42 AM

71 Labour MPs back second referendum.

Lisnaholic 01-16-2019 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg (Post 2034052)
Does this mean that Britain looks like a bunch of morons who don't know what they want and the rest of Europe is going to ignore anything they say because they don't even know if they want to be here?

^ I'm ashamed to say that it's difficult to dispute that intepretation. :o:

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Originally Posted by Fluff (Post 2034347)
71 Labour MPs back second referendum.


I wonder how much of a percentage that is, Fluff? Maybe half the Labour MPs?

I'm pretty sure that in a second referendum the Remainers would win, because the last two years have demonstrated how Brexit politicians have so often promised things that are either unobtainable or economic suicide. Still in my mind is a soundbite from someone who voted for Brexit: the day after the referendum she said, "I never expected Leave to win. Now I wish I'd voted Remain." :banghead:

Like Little Miss Banghead above, I think quite a few people would secretly like a chance to reconsider their original votes. To discover how many, why don't we have a referendum about having a second referendum?

Cuthbert 01-16-2019 08:13 AM

There's no reason not to have a second referendum now that the deal has been finalised and rejected.

Lisnaholic 01-16-2019 09:18 AM

Yep, I'm beginning to see it as the best way forward at this point. Two years back a second ref was fairly criticised as sounding like, "I didn't like the first result. Do it again until I get the result I want." But now, two years down the road, that argument is not so valid: we've had 2 yrs of learning what Brexit might mean, so a re-appraisal makes sense.

With luck, a second ref would show a clear majority for Remain. If it's just a near thing, people will start demanding a "best of three" decider, which even to me begins to sound like taking democracy a little too far.

Cuthbert 01-16-2019 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2034370)
Yep, I'm beginning to see it as the best way forward at this point. Two years back a second ref was fairly criticised as sounding like, "I didn't like the first result. Do it again until I get the result I want." But now, two years down the road, that argument is not so valid: we've had 2 yrs of learning what Brexit might mean, so a re-appraisal makes sense.

With luck, a second ref would show a clear majority for Remain. If it's just a near thing, people will start demanding a "best of three" decider, which even to me begins to sound like taking democracy a little too far.

It's the best solution right now, imo.

We had a referendum on membership decades ago and the result was in favour so if it's only one referendum then the BREXIT MEANS BREXIT lot must accept that the second one in 2016 is null and void.

So there we have it. Stop Brexit! The people have spoken!

Cuthbert 01-16-2019 04:42 PM

No? She said a GE would send Britain into chaos. You must have heard wrong.


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