Brexit? Yay or Nay.

K Addict · 03-03-2019, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluff

It's hotting up. We are due to leave in one month.

Labour now back a second referendum if their suggestions aren't met (which they won't be, so their position is 2nd referendum).

Still sticking with what I said after the vote in 2016; there will be another referendum and we will stay.

Here's hoping you're prediction turns out to be correct

~~Cuthbert~~ · 03-09-2019, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jtees4

Since they already voted YES, it should be YES. There is no reason to change the Countries will.

Aside from the fact it was three years ago, people will have changed their minds, the Leave campaign was based on bullshit and myth making and a lot of things have changed since then?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

~~Cuthbert~~ · 03-13-2019, 05:09 PM

A vote on the extension tomorrow.

May's Brexit deal voted down a second time and a No Deal Brexit also voted down today.

Suggestion of a third vote on May's deal on March 20th, this is absurd.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 03-14-2019, 04:04 PM

MPs vote to delay Brexit.

Could be up to three months and we would leave on the 30th of June.

May still trying to get her deal through, vote next week. If that is rejected again, she will seek to extend the extension further, but that would need the approval of all 27 member states.

K Addict · 03-15-2019, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Fluff

A vote on the extension tomorrow.

May's Brexit deal voted down a second time and a No Deal Brexit also voted down today.

Suggestion of a third vote on May's deal on March 20th, this is absurd.

Damn right it's absurd. It's also hypocritcal because she's a against a 2nd Ref. Just imagine her I win face if she gets the deal through on a 3rd vote.

I hope Bercow stops her as it looks like it's against parlimentary rules for the executive to bully parliament into voting for something again in which there has been no substantial change.

The Maybot I can't stand her

Lisnaholic · 03-17-2019, 02:50 PM

It looks like Britain is bumbling its way into disaster, and is in danger of having reached the point of no-return already.
Two quotes from an article I just read indicate how serious the problem has become:-

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Legally the UK is still due to leave the EU on 29 March.

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UK Cancellor Mr Hammond told Andrew Marr that it was now "physically impossible" for the UK to leave on 29 March.

Because there's no agreed Brexit deal at this eleventh hour, Britain has to go cap in hand to an EU summit and ask for an extension of the Brexit deadline.

Even if May's deal is accepted by the UK Parliament this week, we still have to ask for an extension, and we will only be granted one if all 27 EU countries agree. Somewhat ironically, the our post-referendum bickering has put the fate of Britain squarely into the hands of the EU, and it'll take the vote of just one of those countries to send us into the No Deal crash-out which has always been labelled "the worst-case scenario".

And, but for the mercy of the EU, that's where we are now heading. For a historical perspective on the mercy of the EU, I can remember the time that Britain was applying to join what was then the Common Market: we were repeatedly blackballed by France, and when, after years, France relented and allowed us in, we treated it as a triumphant achievement for modern Britain. Today, if one country takes an "F you, Britain" stance, we´re going to be in huge economic trouble I fear

Have I missed any significant detail from this timetable of disaster? I'll be happy to be proved wrong.

The Batlord · 03-17-2019, 03:18 PM

I think you're missing how democracy can be a reflection of human stupidity writ large that the world is forced to take seriously even when everyone involved clearly realizes that they're being forced to take stupidity seriously but can do nothing about it.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 03-17-2019, 05:10 PM

It's about right Lisna. It's a good job we have a strong and stable government in charge or this could be a mess.

Jeremy Corbyn is going to put forward a second vote of no confidence if (when) May's deal is rejected on Wednesday.

Lisnaholic · 03-17-2019, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

I think you're missing how democracy can be a reflection of human stupidity writ large that the world is forced to take seriously even when everyone involved clearly realizes that they're being forced to take stupidity seriously but can do nothing about it.

^

Reminds me of a very pertinent point made by John Oliver about the entire original question of leaving Europe: he said the politicians should never have put it to public vote. He made a comparison to an appendix operation: as a patient you pay the doctor for his expert judgement, and it'd be unnerving if the surgeon came to your bedside and said, "Well, what do you think? I could go either way on this. Do you want it in or out?"

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Originally Posted by Fluff

It's about right Lisna. It's a good job we have a strong and stable government in charge or this could be a mess.

Jeremy Corbyn is going to put forward a second vote of no confidence if (when) May's deal is rejected on Wednesday.

^ HaHa! Very good! The problem is that Wednesday's vote is March 20 and the EU summit is March 21 & 22, so Corbyn's vote might just be about who will be in charge after the EU has booted us out without a deal. Not intending to sound dramatic, but imo it's like squabbling about who's going to drive when your car is already plunging over a cliff.

Neapolitan · 03-17-2019, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

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Reminds me of a very pertinent point made by John Oliver about the entire original question of leaving Europe: he said the politicians should never have put it to public vote. He made a comparison to an appendix operation: as a patient you pay the doctor for his expert judgement, and it'd be unnerving if the surgeon came to your bedside and said, "Well, what do you think? I could go either way on this. Do you want it in or out?"

Isn't that the point of Brexit, they see the EU as an inflamed appendix ready to burst and they want it out of their lives?

03-13-2019, 05:09 PM	#783 (permalink)
~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	A vote on the extension tomorrow. May's Brexit deal voted down a second time and a No Deal Brexit also voted down today. Suggestion of a third vote on May's deal on March 20th, this is absurd.

03-14-2019, 04:04 PM	#784 (permalink)
~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	MPs vote to delay Brexit. Could be up to three months and we would leave on the 30th of June. May still trying to get her deal through, vote next week. If that is rejected again, she will seek to extend the extension further, but that would need the approval of all 27 member states.

03-17-2019, 05:10 PM	#788 (permalink)
~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	It's about right Lisna. It's a good job we have a strong and stable government in charge or this could be a mess. Jeremy Corbyn is going to put forward a second vote of no confidence if (when) May's deal is rejected on Wednesday.