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RoxyRollah 05-22-2016 04:32 AM

Internet censorship and the death of free speech.
 
So, Im excpecting there will be tinfoil hat memes ....
However this is something Im experiencing and know others its happening too on and offline as well.Anybody else notice if you post here or on other sites anything other than the mainstream narrative that is being perpetuated right now in pop culture on any "main" issues such as feminism, human rights, transgenderisim, race or whatever the hell.Have your posts been torn down, or you've been told to shut up alibet it politely (or not). I've noticed this in live time as well irl. Why is a different opinion or ideas taboo topics in 2016. Why is it just because you don't agree or veiw the world differently then a good bit of the population, why are we either censoring, or even attacking people that are just talking.

Thoughts and or experiences.....

Go!

innerspaceboy 05-22-2016 06:17 AM

I follow a number of news feeds relating to free speech and internet censorship, focusing primarily on the battle for free culture and corporate abuse of copyright law to silence / punish those exercising fair use.

TorrentFreak.com publishes numerous stories of internet censorship. Two days ago, they reported about Fox’s latest DMCA takedown notice -

Quote:

This week's episode of Family Guy included a clip from 1980s Nintendo video game Double Dribble showing a glitch to get a free 3-point goal. Fox obtained the clip from YouTube where it had been sitting since it was first uploaded in 2009. Shortly after, Fox told YouTube the game footage infringed its copyrights. YouTube took it down.
Similarly, the Electronic Frontier Foundation is one of the best sources for news of this nature and fights as an advocate for the preservation of internet freedoms.

Recently they published a short write up on how Sony Music filed a DMCA takedown notice to an educational YouTube video by the Hudson Valley Bluegrass Association which used small clips of bluegrass music to teach the history of the genre, (clearly fair use). But when the webmaster wrote to Sony Music and asked them to withdraw the Content ID match, Sony responded by asking for a $500 “administrative fee” and detailed information about HVBA’s use of the song clips.

Of course, this fee is complete bullsh*t and is a tactic used by corporations to force people to take down content without proper due process. Fortunately, in this case, the HVBA webmaster understood this, contested the fee, and Sony quickly withdrew their request. But thousands of other citizens of the internet are not so lucky, and corporations like Sony often frighten individuals into taking down perfectly legitimate content.

The founder of the EFF famously published a document in 1996 in response to the passing of the Telecommunications Act in defence of the freedom of the internet. The short piece outlined many of the assaults on internet freedom which followed in the 20 years that followed. Check out "A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace" by John Perry Barlow.

And finally, techdirt.com just published a frightening article detailing A Dozen Bad Ideas That Were Raised At The Copyright Office's DMCA Roundtables. The hearing focused on perpetuating the copyright status quo and forcing its antiquated policies on the digital world. They argued for a number of Orwellian policies such as "Service providers shouldn't be allowed to reject takedown notices", silencing public comments, and creating "Punishments for false counternotices" to give even more power to the domineering monopolies than they already have.

And the battle rages on.

Aux-In 05-22-2016 06:35 AM

The First Amendment only applies to government's ability to censor free speech. Private business can do what they want.

Frownland 05-22-2016 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Aux-In (Post 1700007)
The First Amendment only applies to government's ability to censor free speech. Private business can do what they want.

Thank you.

innerspaceboy 05-22-2016 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aux-In (Post 1700007)
The First Amendment only applies to government's ability to censor free speech. Private business can do what they want.

Quite true. But human rights are inherent. And the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of 1948 clearly outlines these rights as recognized by the UN and includes the right to freedom of speech.

A side note - I must profess my gratitude to Roxy for starting this thread - it led to a series of surfing events which resulted in my discovery of and my securing an archival 180g vinyl copy of John Perry Barlow's recitation of his Declaration in a handsome gatefold package with embossed jacket and transcript, produced by the Department of Records and limited to 500 copies worldwide.

It will be the pride of my library. THANK YOU, Roxy!

William_the_Bloody 05-22-2016 08:51 AM

It's called political correctness Roxy and its historically rooted in totalitarian thought.

(read Herbert Marcus's Repressive Tolerance; its considered one of the origins of political correctness. Although the book is no boogie man, it did leave me unsettled when I read it as a young Marxist.)

Basically it states that it is okay to censor views that are considered intolerant or repressive to others. If memory serves me correct I do believe it states Conservative views, but i could be wrong.

Here are the end results, some 45 years later.




Aux-In 05-22-2016 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innerspaceboy (Post 1700035)
Quite true. But human rights are inherent. And the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of 1948 clearly outlines these rights as recognized by the UN and includes the right to freedom of speech.

The UN has no governing authority over the legislative processes of sovereign countries, let alone the plethora of businesses contained within them. What the UN can do in impose sanctions and that sort of thing to make life more difficult for those it considers abrigers. Inherit in that is a sense of hypocrisy by not allowing sovereign countries to have free say in how they run their affairs. Regardless, this still doesn't affect what businesses will or will not allow to be done on their Web sites, or can and cannot do on their properties.

innerspaceboy 05-22-2016 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aux-In (Post 1700046)
The UN has no governing authority over the legislative processes of sovereign countries, let alone the plethora of businesses contained within them. What the UN can do in impose sanctions and that sort of thing to make life more difficult for those it considers abrigers. Inherit in that is a sense of hypocrisy by not allowing sovereign countries to have free say in how they run their affairs. Regardless, this still doesn't affect what businesses will or will not allow to be done on their Web sites, or can and cannot do on their properties.

Well sh*t. So Citizens United is 100% Constitutional? Can I blame capitalism for this?

Aux-In 05-22-2016 09:46 AM

Well we keep electing non-Constitutionalists, so if it feels good, do it.

The Batlord 05-22-2016 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innerspaceboy (Post 1700005)
I follow a number of news feeds relating to free speech and internet censorship, focusing primarily on the battle for free culture and corporate abuse of copyright law to silence / punish those exercising fair use.

TorrentFreak.com publishes numerous stories of internet censorship. Two days ago, they reported about Fox’s latest DMCA takedown notice -



Similarly, the Electronic Frontier Foundation is one of the best sources for news of this nature and fights as an advocate for the preservation of internet freedoms.

Recently they published a short write up on how Sony Music filed a DMCA takedown notice to an educational YouTube video by the Hudson Valley Bluegrass Association which used small clips of bluegrass music to teach the history of the genre, (clearly fair use). But when the webmaster wrote to Sony Music and asked them to withdraw the Content ID match, Sony responded by asking for a $500 “administrative fee” and detailed information about HVBA’s use of the song clips.

Of course, this fee is complete bullsh*t and is a tactic used by corporations to force people to take down content without proper due process. Fortunately, in this case, the HVBA webmaster understood this, contested the fee, and Sony quickly withdrew their request. But thousands of other citizens of the internet are not so lucky, and corporations like Sony often frighten individuals into taking down perfectly legitimate content.

The founder of the EFF famously published a document in 1996 in response to the passing of the Telecommunications Act in defence of the freedom of the internet. The short piece outlined many of the assaults on internet freedom which followed in the 20 years that followed. Check out "A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace" by John Perry Barlow.

And finally, techdirt.com just published a frightening article detailing A Dozen Bad Ideas That Were Raised At The Copyright Office's DMCA Roundtables. The hearing focused on perpetuating the copyright status quo and forcing its antiquated policies on the digital world. They argued for a number of Orwellian policies such as "Service providers shouldn't be allowed to reject takedown notices", silencing public comments, and creating "Punishments for false counternotices" to give even more power to the domineering monopolies than they already have.

And the battle rages on.


Nostalgia Critic uploaded a great video that goes in-depth on the copyright claim abuses that go on on Youtube, all from the perspective of actual content creators.



innerspaceboy 05-22-2016 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1700063)
Nostalgia Critic uploaded a great video that goes in-depth on the copyright claim abuses that go on on Youtube, all from the perspective of actual content creators.


Thanks for posting it - this is an excellent summary of the failures and abuses of the current system with regard to internet content. I wish I'd seen it sooner! :clap:

JGuy Grungeman 05-22-2016 11:24 AM

In my opinion, feminism, racism, sexuality, etc. are just personal opinions. I think the fact that these are so political is ****ING STUPID. I don't care about skin color, gay vs straight, or sex. What does it matter? But no. The media loves to upsize it, and so laws are starting to get passed about these things. It pisses me off. What does it matter? It's all personal, and I think politics should remain economical rather than spending time worrying about other peoples' inability to take a damn insult. I don't give a **** whether another guy is gay, black, girl, or what. I treat everybody the same, and no one's gonna tell me they deserve special treatment based on what people other than me did to them. They wanna be insulted by any polite thing I say, that's between them and their childish whininess.

As far as the censorship of these things go, I think internet censorship has been made just as pointless as these political disputes. Censorsjip should be about blocking inappropriate things. But I've seen censorship of the above subjects... even non-insulting ones because people have a moronic desire to be offended just so they can delude their immature brains that they are the one in the red tights flying around and saving the day.

That's my only problem with censorship. Sorry if I got a little carried away.

Neapolitan 05-22-2016 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1700063)
Nostalgia Critic uploaded a great video that goes in-depth on the copyright claim abuses that go on on Youtube, all from the perspective of actual content creators.



It took me till 18:14 to figure out that #WTFU didn't stand for "hash-tag, What The **** U-tube" but actually "Where's the Fair Use?"

Paul Smeenus 05-22-2016 02:04 PM

Absolutely fucking brilliant 3-part discussion on the subject of Fair Use:





innerspaceboy 05-22-2016 02:15 PM

Conversation Between Edward Snowdon, Glenn Greenwald, and Noam Chomsky on Privacy and internet rights.


Goofle 05-22-2016 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1700014)
Thank you.

Errr...

You say that as if you want it to be the case lol

innerspaceboy nails it btw.

Aux-In 05-22-2016 02:40 PM

The Fair Use Clause involves copyright and isn't necessarily related to free speech in the context of the OP. I am assuming that The Oracle is talking about the alleged media and cultural bias that may or may not exist, and that favors a certain political party's narrative. Whether members of a certain site "report" or "thumbs down" others' opinions, that's up to the site to deal with how they see fit. Ex: Facebook's recent controversy on how they handle trending news.

The Batlord 05-22-2016 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aux-In (Post 1700130)
The Fair Use Clause involves copyright and isn't necessarily related to free speech in the context of the OP. I am assuming that The Oracle is talking about the alleged media and cultural bias that may or may not exist, and that favors a certain political party's narrative. Whether members of a certain site "report" or "thumbs down" others' opinions, that's up to the site to deal with how they see fit. Ex: Facebook's recent controversy on how they handle trending news.

Psst. She's really complaining about our and everyone else's reactions to her opinions on fluoride in America's drinking water.

Aux-In 05-22-2016 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1700135)
Psst. She's really complaining about our and everyone else's reactions to her opinions on fluoride in America's drinking water.

The least you could do is give her a phone number to a new plumber.

The Batlord 05-22-2016 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aux-In (Post 1700153)
The least you could do is give her a phone number to a new plumber.

I do have one but I wouldn't recommend him. We had to wait half a week longer than we should have to get a working shower.

innerspaceboy 05-22-2016 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aux-In (Post 1700130)
...alleged media and cultural bias that may or may not exist, and that favors a certain political party's narrative.

While I appreciate objective and non-partisan perspectives I think the reality is so extreme and the evidence so plain that it is a disservice to oneself and to our global culture to deny that the damaging media bias is very real.

The Republican platform of misogyny, racism, homophobia, blind nationalism, Christian Fundamentalism, fear mongering, hate speech, anti-immigration, anti-minority, xenophobia, anti-choice, bigotry, religious intolerance, anti-social justice, anti-education, and corporate favoritism is celebrated and endorsed by propaganda networks of the established print and broadcast monopolies.

The Democratic National Convention is equally corrupt with its funneling of billions of corporate dollars into ensuring that national broadcast coverage exclusively celebrates their chosen puppet despite overwhelming evidence of her decades of federal crimes.

Corporate personhood was the nail in the coffin of our republic. The plutocracy is very real.

The polls showing 46% of voters identifying as unaffiliated is the citizens' reaction to a broadcast media and a political party which ignores their voice.

JGuy Grungeman 05-22-2016 03:57 PM

I myself generally refuse to be a part of any political party. I just don't think anything gets resolved in politics since time changes every civilization. Plus, I don't like getting into huge arguments. So instead of joining the crowd, I just work on not getting offended. I still do sometimes, but who in their right mind wants to be offended?

The Batlord 05-22-2016 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman (Post 1700205)
I just work on not getting offended.

I don't believe you.

JGuy Grungeman 05-22-2016 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman (Post 1700205)
I still do sometimes

You really gotta work on your picking and choosing if you want to post an educated statement.

The Batlord 05-22-2016 04:40 PM

No, I don't believe that you try.

JGuy Grungeman 05-22-2016 05:03 PM

I don't believe you're trolling has any basis. You're just spewing things.

The Batlord 05-22-2016 05:06 PM

I can do both.

JGuy Grungeman 05-22-2016 05:08 PM

But you won't be good at em.

The Batlord 05-22-2016 05:08 PM

My mom says I'm annoying.

JGuy Grungeman 05-22-2016 05:11 PM

What else is new?

DeadChannel 05-22-2016 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman (Post 1700222)
I don't believe you're trolling has any basis. You're just spewing things.

Don't be offended!

The Batlord 05-22-2016 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman (Post 1700228)
What else is new?

I got you to like a song by a Nazi.

RoxyRollah 05-22-2016 05:29 PM

You're babbling now^....

The Batlord 05-22-2016 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoxyRollah (Post 1700238)
You're babbling now^....

And now you know how it feels.

JGuy Grungeman 05-22-2016 05:50 PM

A: I wasn't offended.
B: I'm also aware that one of the members is a murderer, and that one of thrir songs is anti-Jesus. So I'll no longer be taking black metal lessons from you. Ciao.

The Batlord 05-22-2016 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman (Post 1700247)
A: I wasn't offended.
B: I'm also aware that one of the members is a murderer, and that one of thrir songs is anti-Jesus. So I'll no longer be taking black metal lessons from you. Ciao.

A: There's only one member.
B: He is definitely anti-Christian, but it's not because of Satanism, it's because Christianity destroyed his country's culture and built their churches over the burned remains of their holy sites.

JGuy Grungeman 05-22-2016 05:57 PM

I already knew that. And I sympathize those who were hurt during that time. Not taking sides on that subject, though. Plus, that doesn't mean I need to share his experiences.

The Batlord 05-22-2016 05:59 PM

You know you can takes sides against the Christian church of that period without betraying your own religious beliefs. Do you refuse to takes sides when priests molest little boys?

Aux-In 05-22-2016 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innerspaceboy (Post 1700200)
While I appreciate objective and non-partisan perspectives I think the reality is so extreme and the evidence so plain that it is a disservice to oneself and to our global culture to deny that the damaging media bias is very real.

I'm already secure in my positions. No tears for globalists.

Quote:

Originally Posted by innerspaceboy (Post 1700200)
The Republican platform of misogyny, racism, homophobia, blind nationalism, Christian Fundamentalism, fear mongering, hate speech, anti-immigration, anti-minority, xenophobia, anti-choice, bigotry, religious intolerance, anti-social justice, anti-education, and corporate favoritism is celebrated and endorsed by propaganda networks of the established print and broadcast monopolies.

I think this is kind of what the OP was talking about to be honest, but that's just my opinion. As conservatism has died out, liberalism has filled the social and political power vacuums. However, I think even that is kind of peaking, as these exacerbated issues have reached a point where the radical left and SJWs have turned quite fascist, and/or boy & girl who've cried wolf a little too many times. We can see this repudiation of decadal (sic) liberal philosophy (social, economic, globalization-wise) in the rise of Trump, and we can see the dissatisfaction and subsequent repudiation of the media bias with the rise of Sanders as well. In either case, there has been some conjoining ideology between the Establishment parties for some decades, and that is to what you stated as the rise of Independents who can see the forest through the trees.

Chula Vista 05-22-2016 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1700226)
My mom says I'm annoying.

Just stay out of her bedroom. Problem solved.


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