So Im just wondering if we start an Islam thread and said the same drivel thats been on the last 5 pages if that would be kosher?

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Sorry, my bad, I obviously meant the inverse. Nevertheless, would you mind responding to my point?

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Would it help if I said Muhammed's underage wife made me horny?

Lol people on the internet are always making fun of islam. So what.

There we go. I've corrected the mistake (brain fart, sorry).

To add, you've stated that "God saying so" isn't the justification for the immorality of gay/non-marital sex. What is the justification behind the immorality of this?

In other words, why is gay/non-marital sex bad if it's consensual and no one is being hurt?

The wind blowing makes you horny.^

Yes but see, its become culturally acceptable to knock Christianity, and not any other religion as if what others believe is some how less ludicrous.

really? idk i see a lot of sh*t being said about muslims online. and christians have the advantage of mainstream media being on their side. whereas you only hear about muslims on the news if its about some wacko terrorist.

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how come you believe in just one god but also the trinity?

that never made any sense to me.

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i am NOT starting that.

i officially stopped believing in islam when i was like 12.

and while we're at it, how about it you start a judaism thread? no one ever talks about that. or hinduism. or buddhism. or the nation of yahweh. or how about the church of euthanasia?

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Hes a triune God.

I thought incest was a sin?

I agree. Too an exsent. Bot my sisters are arab.(:() I speak Arabic, lived in an Islamic country for a year.I know 65% of you are fantastic people. However my government has set you up in the country to take the fall, with a handful of corrupt and vicious Muslims in high powerful places. Now you fight the fight that EVERY Immigrant ever to the Us or any country for that matter. But like I said its becoming more acceptable to do ****ty things and say ****ty things in the name of no religion to Christians then it ever has before. This is merly an observation.

you sound like one of those people who think the jews and rothchilds control the world

Thats all you took AWAY FROM THAT?

Who said anything about jews. You are projecting.

I meant this part

with a handful of corrupt and vicious Muslims in high powerful places

a lot of people believe this about jews. it sounds just as ridiculous when you say it about muslims.

Really so you dont think there are any vicious muslim dictators? Not one.

Can a mod do their job please and merge these last two comments pls.

Well that took a turn.


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of course there are. but what does the fact that they're muslim have to do with anything. most of them don't even act islamically. like gaddaffi. he had basically made up his own state religion with his ridiculous green book n ****. and everyone knows saddam wasn't religious. and there are a lot of non muslim dictators too.

Oh you thought were were talking about liberaly muslims oh no....Saudi Arabia anyone coming to mind here.......hrmmmm

Its not letting me cut n copy on my phone homes.

FYI, I've been reading Roxese for several years now, and I'm still not really sure what you just said.

I dont have my glasses on....by your post Im guessing I butchered my own post.

Yes, yes you did.

Excellent my work here is done.

Thoughts on religious faith as a tool for recovering addicts?
My mother ended up becoming an example of this about 8 years ago.

I grew up in a irreligious home, both my mother and father came from religious families but dropped the church and faith by their adult years. My mother struggled with addiction for most of her adult life, from her teens and well into her 40s with very few sober spaces between. She tried the detox/rehab game several times throughout the years, failing each time, until she eventually broke under the pressure and ended up doing a stint in the psych ward. That breakdown was the catalyst to her recovery but this time for whatever reason she ended up trying the 12 Step Program. As many of you probably know part of that program involves recognizing a "higher power" as a channel for strength, a lot of 12 step sponsors encourage Christianity to fill that role (whether that's loyal to the program or not). So she ended up doing that, wen't away to live in recovery house with other recovering addicts, did the whole 12 Step thing, and came back an evangelical Christian with a new lease on life.

She was headstrong about it for a year or two, got baptized, read the Bible, went to church with her new friends every Sunday, attended church functions and dinners and whatnot, but eventually began distancing herself from the institution after being exposed to the inner drama and politics. She hasn't actively attended church for probably 6 years now but kept the faith and a handful of Christian values close. This has become a very comfortable way of living for her. Psychologically it gave her purpose and direction, the threat of eternal hellfire has worked much better as a motivator against relapse than anything else in the past, she has been consistently more charitable and eager to help other recovering addicts, and is generally a much happier person than she was prior to all of this. At the end of it all she's now 8 years sober, much happier and no longer using anti-depressants, doesn't serve any particular religious institution, and keeps a cherry picked version of the Christian faith to herself only as a motivator to be responsible and kind.

Is this the best option for serious drug addicts? Is it the most effective means to recovery?

Is there a better alternative recovery system that has worked for even close to as many people?

I'm about a month from my 21st year of sobriety, I almost died from alcohol poisoning on many occasions. While I was in that program originally I never even came close to accepting it, the best thing it did was allow me the time to find a routine of not drinking, most in that program insisted I was on a "dry drunk" but here I am closing in on 21 years clean and sober with not a thought of drinking or using, and never at any point did I have any interest in any supernatural, in fact my secular resolve has only grown.

Here's an excellent discussion on the topic of maintaining a secular sobriety:

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**** that, I didn't vote for him. I say we do a coup and have a democratically elected God. Show those alternate universes who's boss.

You're just saying WHAT he did, not WHY he did it.

^ right on