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Old 06-12-2016, 08:09 PM   #201 (permalink)
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its very clear what that is. you're just playing dumb. i'm not sure why. probably because your government has brainwashed you into believing that israel can do nothing bad.
No. I have absolutely no concrete idea what the circumstances behind that are. Did a bunch of Israeli soldiers just wander onto a beach and shoot a bunch of people for no reason? If so, is that the entirety of the story? As far as I can tell that's what you're implying, but beyond that I really don't know what that is.
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Old 06-12-2016, 08:10 PM   #202 (permalink)
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and killed waaaaay more civilians than 'enemies' actually.
That's what always happens in war. Always. In probably every war ever fought. One of the reasons why war sucks.
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Old 06-12-2016, 08:14 PM   #203 (permalink)
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No. I have absolutely no concrete idea what the circumstances behind that are. Did a bunch of Israeli soldiers just wander onto a beach and shoot a bunch of people for no reason? If so, is that the entirety of the story? As far as I can tell that's what you're implying, but beyond that I really don't know what that is.
there was a war going on. israel is pretty popular for murdering a hell of a lot of civilians during wars.

also this happened again last year or in 2014 i think. they bombed a beach and killed 4 kids. it got pretty popular. actually not just 4 kids.

The 2014 Gaza war beach bombing incidents refers to two incidents that took place during the 2014 Gaza War on 9 and 16 July. In the first incident, Israeli missiles killed 9 youths while they were following the 2014 World Cup series on TV; in the second, 4 boys were killed by Israeli naval fire while playing on a beach. According to an Israeli investigation, the second was a 'tragic mistake'. The United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict, reviewing the evidence found strong indications that the IDF had failed in its obligations to adopt all feasible measures to avoid or minimize incidental harm to civilians.
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Old 06-12-2016, 08:23 PM   #204 (permalink)
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Was there anything within the general vicinity of the beach that would warrant shooting at? Whether the Israelis were careful is one issue, but if they were firing on a legitimate target and missed, then that's not terrorism.

I mean, did they just kind of arbitrarily decide to shoot at a beach?
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Old 06-12-2016, 08:27 PM   #205 (permalink)
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We invaded a country. That is done in war. We engaged enemy combatants. That is done in war. We captured cities. That is done in war.

The "insurgents" (or whatever you want to call them) engaged enemy combatants. That is done in war. They took cities. That is done in war. Whether they were terrorists in their "off days", they were soldiers when they were at war with us.

We both did some bad ****. That is done in war. That's not a good thing, but it's been a part of war for as long as war has been a thing.
Like I said, Al Queda declared war on the west and the US specifically since they repeatedly refused to remove military bases from Islamic Holy lands. They didn't have the financial means to mount a campaign like the US could, so they attacked in a way that would get the message across. And it sure did.

This country is still living in fear so I'd say that Al Queda was quite successful in their war efforts.

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But then your denying the fact that it was never purely designed to create terror. That was the side effect. Terrorism is be definition creating terror for the means.
The word terrorism was created as a defense mechanism by us. Al Queda's attack on 9/11 was their act of war on the US. And yes, it was designed to create confusion, fear, and doubt. That's all part of war.

Do you deny that the sneak attack that the US laid on Baghdad didn't instill terror on the innocent civilians?

Stop trying to split hairs here just because we have bigger guns and a much more organized military infrastructure. War is war. The byproduct of terror is the same whether it's thousands of troupes piloting billions of dollars of machinery against a city, or 19 devoted militants bringing down a couple of buildings and blasting a hole in our symbol of military might.

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Old 06-12-2016, 08:56 PM   #206 (permalink)
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Like I said, Al Queda declared war on the west and the US specifically since they repeatedly refused to remove military bases from Islamic Holy lands. They didn't have the financial means to mount a campaign like the US could, so they attacked in a way that would get the message across. And it sure did.

This country is still living in fear so I'd say that Al Queda was quite successful in their war efforts.



The word terrorism was created as a defense mechanism by us. Al Queda's attack on 9/11 was their act of war on the US. And yes, it was designed to create confusion, fear, and doubt. That's all part of war.

Do you deny that the sneak attack that the US laid on Baghdad didn't instill terror on the innocent civilians?

Stop trying to split hairs here just because we have bigger guns and a much more organized military infrastructure. War is war. The byproduct of terror is the same whether it's thousands of troupes piloting billions of dollars of machinery against a city, or 19 devoted militants bringing down a couple of buildings and blasting a hole in our symbol of military might.

Stop the hypocrisy.
Then by that logic the civil war was also a terroristic act.
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Old 06-12-2016, 09:05 PM   #207 (permalink)
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Like I said, Al Queda declared war on the west and the US specifically since they repeatedly refused to remove military bases from Islamic Holy lands. They didn't have the financial means to mount a campaign like the US could, so they attacked in a way that would get the message across. And it sure did.

This country is still living in fear so I'd say that Al Queda was quite successful in their war efforts.
I thought we were including individuals like Timothy McVeigh in the definition of terrorism. Were we at war with Timothy McVeigh? Please get your definitions straight.

Terrorism can most definitely be a method of war, especially in the context of an organized paramilitary group such as Al Qaeda or the IRA. A method of war waged in many of the same ways and for many of the same reasons as a guerilla war.

But I don't really see what that has to do with the invasion of Iraq, seeing as how that was a conventional invasion. If some of our troops did some bad **** on the side, that wasn't really part of our country's overall strategy.

And after everything you said about Christianity are you really gonna sit here and pretend like you give a flying **** about Islamic Holy lands? Bitch, please.

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The word terrorism was created as a defense mechanism by us. Al Queda's attack on 9/11 was their act of war on the US. And yes, it was designed to create confusion, fear, and doubt. That's all part of war.

Do you deny that the sneak attack that the US laid on Baghdad didn't instill terror on the innocent civilians?
That was a short term tactic to confuse the Saddam's forces to make it easier to kill them and while taking fewer losses. We were not actively trying to kill civilians.

You're stretching the word "terrorism" to the point that it has no meaning. If you want to do away with the word entirely, then you do you, but trying to confuse the definition by applying it so broadly is pointless. Not to mention disingenuous since you're just using it as an excuse to argue your own political agenda.
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^ Music was also banned in Afganistán under Taliban rule. I think it's because of a fundamentalist idea that music is a sensual pleasure that distracts from the contemplation of god. AFAIK the Taliban want a society based on how the prophet Mohammed used to rule, hence no tv´s, internet etc.
The thing about music being banned. It is similar to how some Christians refuse to listen to secular music. They "ban" certain types of music.
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The thing about music being banned. It is similar to how some Christians refuse to listen to secular music. They "ban" certain types of music.
They actually use some songs as interrogation techniques against Islamic terrorists.
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