The Islam Thread

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Chula Vista

And I'm commenting about the parallels between Islam and another religion.

It just seems like a reactionary way of being able to cope with bad things being said about Islam.

Are you saying that Jesus is a problematic role model? Is he mimicked to the crazy extent that many do with Mohammed?

[Chula Vista]

Originally Posted by Frownland

It just seems like a reactionary way of being able to cope with bad things being said about Islam.

Are you saying that Jesus is a problematic role model? Is he mimicked to the crazy extent that many do with Mohammed?

Again, missing the point. I can cope with bad things being said about Islamic terrorism. I get a bit riled with those who lump those bad things in with ALL of Islam. And again you are interpreting my words in a way that fits your narrative to be snarky and snidely with your comeback.

All I said is that the Bible, as a written testament, is very much like the Quran and Hadith.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Chula Vista

I get a bit riled with those who lump those bad things in with ALL of Islam.

It's just weird that you have that kind of response to someone that is saying the exact opposite of that.

All I said is that the Bible, as a written testament, is very much like the Quran and Hadith.

Sure thing, I just thought that you were referring to my whole post.

[djchameleon]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Islam is divided and interpreted through many different lenses for many reasons. The first is the way that the Quran and Hadith were written. It was a very political process of deciding which type of verbiage to use since they essentially had to decipher the outcomes of several games of telephone to determine what was originally said. The oral tradition of the teachings made it easier to manipulate the word to your meaning. The second reason that's equally as important is the fact that the tribalism of the seventh century seeped into both the teachings and the recordings. It set the stage for Islam to avoid unity and it makes it easier for Muslims to denounce other sects of Muslims.

I also think that the status of Mohammed in the religion as a role model is problematic given how much the world has changed since then.

The essence of holy texts are all about interpretation and what message the specific God of whatever religion has for you through the text. I feel like Islam is divided into two by those who are strict about their faith enough to follow Shari Law and those that are more westernized and cherry pick which parts of the Quran they choose to follow and are more open to the idea of not going against social norms.

Originally Posted by Chula Vista

^^^^

= The Bible.

Yeah I agree. The Bible isn't so specific about denominations though. It's strange how each denomination likes to argue with other ones similar to how he was mentioning that in Islam it's easier to denounce other sects. Christians do that as well but they don't have verses in the bible to back up their distaste for other denominations.

Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Again, missing the point. I can cope with bad things being said about Islamic terrorism. I get a bit riled with those who lump those bad things in with ALL of Islam. And again you are interpreting my words in a way that fits your narrative to be snarky and snidely with your comeback.

I do as well. I also argue against statements like Islam is the most dangerous religion and other statements like that. I'm like why are people taking the radicals and using that to pass judgement against the entire religion? If the entire religion was as bad as they are saying the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world would have already destroyed us all.

[Frownland]

Hmm, that second category could very easily describe ISIS members.

[Chula Vista]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Hmm, that second category could very easily describe ISIS members.

Are you actually this dense? Do you realize how much you sound like the kid in the playground going "nah nah nah nah, I can't hear you!!!!".

Grow the **** up and debate like an adult for a change.

[Key]

Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Are you actually this dense? Do you realize how much you sound like the kid in the playground going "nah nah nah nah, I can't hear you!!!!".

Grow the **** up and debate like an adult for a change.

You do realize who you're talking to, right?

[Frownland]

You've gone full Roxy, chill the **** out.

I was referring to the quote below, saying that ISIS members cherry pick parts of their holy texts that they follow and when radical Islam becomes the norm in the places that they occupy, complying with ISIS is not going against societal norms. The only difference is the westernized part. I'm not sure what's so dense or controversial about that concept. Seriously, drink a beer or something and get over this whiny grudge you're carrying.

Originally Posted by djchameleon

those that are more westernized and cherry pick which parts of the Quran they choose to follow and are more open to the idea of not going against social norms.

[Ol’ Qwerty Bastard]

What's up with people not being able to argue without tossing insults. You're a bunch of ***gots.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Qwertyy

What's up with people not being able to argue without tossing insults. You're a bunch of ***gots.

It's easier to get upset at and berate other people for not contributing a furrowed-brow academic debate than it is to do it yourself.