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Old 06-12-2017, 12:35 PM   #331 (permalink)
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As the other active Islam-related thread is more specifically about Europe, I thought I might as well revive this one.
Currently watching this interesting discussion between YouTuber ContraPoints and an ex-muslim called Eiynah. I'm only 25 minutes in atm, but there is a lot of interesting nuance in this that I feel is often left unexplored:
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Old 06-12-2017, 12:51 PM   #332 (permalink)
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islam was never the religion of peace. people who say islam comes from the word salam are lying. it comes from istislam. which means submission.

i mean, there are 'peaceful' parts of the religion. like giving to the poor, respecting others, the saving 1 life is like saving all of mankind thing as well.

so its very contradictory that way.

most good people who call themselves muslim usually ignore the violent parts and focus on the good.

and the extremists focus on the violent parts and forget all the kindness and mercy verses.

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Old 06-12-2017, 01:10 PM   #333 (permalink)
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As the other active Islam-related thread is more specifically about Europe, I thought I might as well revive this one.
Currently watching this interesting discussion between YouTuber ContraPoints and an ex-muslim called Eiynah. I'm only 25 minutes in atm, but there is a lot of interesting nuance in this that I feel is often left unexplored:
I tried watching a few of that youtubers videos after watching this response to one of his videos:



He just wasn't that interesting to me so I doubt I'll sit through the video you posted. "I Am Genderqueer" is probably the best I saw if you did wanna check one out.
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Old 06-12-2017, 01:18 PM   #334 (permalink)
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Yes, I also mostly agree with Vern's response there, and to be honest I rarely agree with Contra's viewpoints, but his views on Islam may be more complex and less "SJW-y" than you maybe think, plus it's counteracted by the more openly critical viewpoints of the aforementioned ex-muslim. So to my estimation it's still worth a watch, at least from what I've seen so far.
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Old 06-12-2017, 01:42 PM   #335 (permalink)
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Old 06-12-2017, 01:59 PM   #336 (permalink)
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lol that post, 'the saving 1 life is like saving all of mankind thing as well'
It is in the Quran though. I couldn't remember the exact verse so I looked it up.

In the Quran, Surah 5 verse 32 “if anyone saves a life, it shall be as though he had saved the lives of all mankind.”
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It is in the Quran though. I couldn't remember the exact verse so I looked it up.

In the Quran, Surah 5 verse 32 “if anyone saves a life, it shall be as though he had saved the lives of all mankind.”
We all know it's in there.

You missed the bit before what you quoted though and the very next verse outlines the brutal ways in which people can actually be killed.
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Old 06-12-2017, 04:44 PM   #338 (permalink)
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Old 06-13-2017, 01:29 PM   #339 (permalink)
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lol that post, 'the saving 1 life is like saving all of mankind thing as well'
he sounds like he has an actual understanding of Islam (I wonder why that is)

where as you can only ever see it through a lens of European kneejerk xenophobia

honestly by ignoring the good parts of Islam and only pushing the bad you're basically agreeing with the extremists, where as we should be promoting the modern Islamic interpretation that the majority of Muslims practice
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