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The Batlord 07-28-2016 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1723950)
Legalizing same sex marriage

He didn't do that. That was the Supreme Court. He was just in office when it happened.

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Unemployment to a record low
Cut the veteran homelessness in half
Someone has to be in office when we get out of the recession, and I don't think it's necessarily the President who has the most influence as to when that is.

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Killed Osama Bin Laden
Again, didn't do that.

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Thousands of new business giving thousands of new jobs
See above. The President does not fix the economy. They can have an influence, but to say that just because a guy was in office when the economy started getting better is like saying you have a tiger-repelling rock.

And I'm certainly no economic expert, but I question just how many of those jobs were actually desirable, and how many were McDonald's or Walmart jobs that only served to strengthen the service industry poverty culture of so much of the country.

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Gay men and women can be in the military and not be secretive
It's been a while since that **** happened and I can't remember how it happened or what his part in it was, but I certainly don't remember him being in the center of it.

Key 07-28-2016 10:30 AM

^I didn't say he was responsible for it, I said he was in office during those times. Being in office has influence on all of that.

Frownland 07-28-2016 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1723957)
Again, didn't do that.

Hang on, you're saying that the leader of the military had no involvement in the military operation to assassinate Osama Bin Laden?

The Batlord 07-28-2016 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1723958)
^I didn't say he was responsible for it, I said he was in office during those times. Being in office has influence on all of that.

No that's bull****. If your only "influence" on policy is that you just happened to be in office when it happened then you don't deserve any historical credit for it.

The Batlord 07-28-2016 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1723959)
Hang on, you're saying that the leader of the military had no involvement in the military operation to assassinate Osama Bin Laden?

I can make like Picard and say, "Make it so", too. Doesn't mean I deserve any credit for it.

Frownland 07-28-2016 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1723962)
I can make like Picard and say, "Make it so", too. Doesn't mean I deserve any credit for it.

Ok, maybe you should put the crack pipe down.

grindy 07-28-2016 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1723960)
No that's bull****. If your only "influence" on policy is that you just happened to be in office when it happened then you don't deserve any historical credit for it.

What would be outstandingly good things an american president actually could do and be responsible for in your book?
(Not that I necessarily disagree with your view of Obama, just curious.)

Key 07-28-2016 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1723960)
No that's bull****. If your only "influence" on policy is that you just happened to be in office when it happened then you don't deserve any historical credit for it.

So then we just shouldn't have anybody in office if that's your point of view.

Frownland 07-28-2016 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1723965)
So then we just shouldn't have anybody in office if that's your point of view.

I'm not opposed to that.

The Batlord 07-28-2016 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1723963)
Ok, maybe you should put the crack pipe down.

What exactly did he do besides just give the go ahead? Wasn't it our intelligence services and military who did all the work?

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1723964)
What would be outstandingly good things an american president actually could do and be responsible for in your book?
(Not that I necessarily disagree with your view of Obama, just curious.)

My big thing about American politics is that our system is so crippled by party infighting that we can't even pass a budget without wrecking our credit rating. Our political climate is simply toxic on both sides, no matter who you think is most responsible, and I want a president who will take a step back and try to encourage less polarization.

I want this in all our politicians, but given just how important the president is to party politics I think it would be a huge first step for an American president to really try to build bridges between the Republicans or Democrats, even if it seems to be a futile gesture at this point. All other considerations are secondary at this point due to our political system's pathological ineffectiveness.

Basically I'm not so much worried about policy as I am leadership.


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