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BlackMalachite 10-12-2016 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1756659)
Example?

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13684

Creating an arguably unconstitutional task force is a good example

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1756664)
Before those rules were established, they had to be created. I think big government just tricked you into supporting it.

Could you explain further?

Frownland 10-12-2016 12:21 PM

Basically, the grass is always greener and what you describe as limiting government is also simultaneously giving the government more powers.

Key 10-12-2016 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite (Post 1756667)
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13684

Creating an arguably unconstitutional task force is a good example

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provide an effective partnership between law enforcement and local communities that reduces crime and increases
Yeah, seems rather immoral to attempt to save people's lives.

BlackMalachite 10-12-2016 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1756669)
Basically, the grass is always greener and what you describe as limiting government is also simultaneously giving the government more powers.

At this point though, turning the government back into regulators would actually involve scaling back their powers.

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1756671)
Yeah, seems rather immoral to attempt to save people's lives.

It's not that the concept is immoral, it's that the execution and methods involved in collecting information to transmit to "law enforcement" is immoral.

Frownland 10-12-2016 12:24 PM

:laughing: I didn't catch that executive order bit. When will people learn that calling something unconstitutional is not the same as calling it bad or saying that you disagree with it?

BlackMalachite 10-12-2016 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1756673)
:laughing: I didn't catch that executive order bit. When will people learn that calling something unconstitutional is not the same as calling it bad or saying that you disagree with it?

The methods of collecting information are unconstitutional and violate privacy laws, not to mention the immorality of it.

Frownland 10-12-2016 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite (Post 1756675)
The methods of collecting information are unconstitutional and violate privacy laws, not to mention the immorality of it.

Could you elaborate?

Key 10-12-2016 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1756673)
:laughing: I didn't catch that executive order bit. When will people learn that calling something unconstitutional is not the same as calling it bad or saying that you disagree with it?

You didn't catch the point I was asking him, though you just responded asking him to elaborate, which is what I asked him to do.

Frownland 10-12-2016 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1756681)
You didn't catch the point I was asking him, though you just responded asking him to elaborate, which is what I asked him to do.

I think the point is that dirty liberal Obama signed it so it's bad.

BlackMalachite 10-12-2016 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1756679)
Could you elaborate?

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1756681)
You didn't catch the point I was asking him, though you just responded asking him to elaborate, which is what I asked him to do.

To answer both of your questions; it allows local law enforcement to legally send statistics and personal details about an individual up to a federal level that would otherwise be locked under privacy laws, all in the name of "improving community relations."


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