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BlackMalachite 10-12-2016 10:56 AM

Fake presidential candidates polling high in the US
 
Back in August in Texas for example, Harambe (everyone's dead favorite Gorilla) was tied with Jill Stein polling at 5%.

Isn't a bit concerning that THIS many people take our system for granted (5% of Texas's population is still roughly 1,348,000 people.) That's over a million people that have polled voting for a dead gorilla instead of an actual candidate.

Frownland 10-12-2016 11:02 AM

They should really do their polling sober.

Blank. 10-12-2016 11:02 AM

Considering that our to politicians in this election have made a mockery of the process, I think it's fair that the people do the same.

BlackMalachite 10-12-2016 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1756526)
They should really do their polling sober.

Sad thing is, I'm pretty sure it was.

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind (Post 1756527)
Considering that our to politicians in this election have made a mockery of the process, I think it's fair that the people do the same.

Shouldn't that be more of a reason that people should actually vote for someone they give a **** about? Rather than just say "well, let's just take votes away from actual candidates because our main choices suck so hard"

Frownland 10-12-2016 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite (Post 1756533)
Sad thing is, I'm pretty sure it was.

*whoosh*

Anyway, people don't take the polls as seriously as they do elections. I bet not even 1% of those people are actually going to vote for Harambe.

BlackMalachite 10-12-2016 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1756535)
*whoosh*

Anyway, people don't take the polls as seriously as they do elections. I bet not even 1% of those people are actually going to vote for Harambe.

Things go over my head constantly. I really do hope you're right though, with the mental state of the new generation of voters, I'm not really so sure though.

Key 10-12-2016 11:23 AM

Is anything in this election process surprising anymore? Honestly, I'm just waiting for one of them to murder the other.

Frownland 10-12-2016 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite (Post 1756551)
Things go over my head constantly. I really do hope you're right though, with the mental state of the new generation of voters, I'm not really so sure though.

The title is "Fake presidential candidates polling high in the US."

Blank. 10-12-2016 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite (Post 1756533)
Shouldn't that be more of a reason that people should actually vote for someone they give a **** about? Rather than just say "well, let's just take votes away from actual candidates because our main choices suck so hard"

Why? Who would they vote for?

Key 10-12-2016 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite (Post 1756551)
with the mental state of the new generation of voters, I'm not really so sure though.

Pardon?

BlackMalachite 10-12-2016 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind (Post 1756561)
Why? Who would they vote for?

I mean personally I think Gary Johnson's the only candidate worth a damn in this race who hasn't done anything particularly stupid bar a few screw ups with memory.

Frownland 10-12-2016 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite (Post 1756564)
I mean personally I think Gary Johnson's the only candidate worth a damn in this race who hasn't done anything particularly stupid bar a few screw ups with memory.

He has some ass backwards beliefs tbh. Still better than those two.

Key 10-12-2016 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1756568)
He has some ass backwards beliefs tbh.

I may still support him but I agree with some of the criticism he gets. Though, the foreign leader comment was blown out of proportion and misinterpreted.

Frownland 10-12-2016 11:33 AM

What was misinterpreted about it?

BlackMalachite 10-12-2016 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1756568)
He has some ass backwards beliefs tbh. Still better than those two.

Better than those three** Jill Stein has conviction but she believes incredibly outlandish things that just simply aren't possible to implement in reality (and shouldn't be implemented anyways)

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1756570)
I may still support him but I agree with some of the criticism he gets. Though, the foreign leader comment was blown out of proportion and misinterpreted.

Not to mention he apologized for it, and people are running crazy with it trying to discredit him. What I found absolutely hilarious is that most of the people raging at him for the Aleppo incident, didn't even know what Aleppo was until after it was spoken.

Key 10-12-2016 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1756571)
What was misinterpreted about it?

The media insinuated that he didn't know the names of any foreign leaders, though the actuality was that he couldn't think of any that he respected. He tweeted a day later that he still couldn't think of any that he respected.

Frownland 10-12-2016 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite (Post 1756573)
Better than those three** Jill Stein has conviction but she believes incredibly outlandish things that just simply aren't possible to implement in reality (and shouldn't be implemented anyways)

I prefer Stein because of Johnson's raging johnson for privatization of government operations, despite the fact that those things do not work well when run like a business.

BlackMalachite 10-12-2016 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1756576)
I prefer Stein because of Johnson's raging johnson for privatization of government operations, despite the fact that those things do not work well when run like a business.

Stein's policies would involve an increase in government involvement far bigger than even Bernie wanted, and could possibly bankrupt the country even more than it already is.

Frownland 10-12-2016 11:44 AM

That doesn't scare me. I can overthrow the government, I can't tell off my boss.

BlackMalachite 10-12-2016 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1756587)
That doesn't scare me. I can overthrow the government, I can't tell off my boss.

The government basically has become everyone's boss though, especially with the crazy amount of undeserved benefits flying in every direction.

Key 10-12-2016 11:45 AM

There's no reason to argue Stein vs Johnson as they both are far more worthy of being a president than either of the current candidates.

Frownland 10-12-2016 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite (Post 1756589)
The government basically has become everyone's boss though, especially with the crazy amount of undeserved benefits flying in every direction.

I'm not one for alarmism.

BlackMalachite 10-12-2016 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1756590)
There's no reason to argue Stein vs Johnson as they both are far more worthy of being a president than either of the current candidates.

I'd still pick Trump over Stein, but I'm very easily voting for Gary.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1756593)
I'm not one for alarmism.

I mean, spending over half a trillion thanks to stuff like Medicaid is pretty alarming.

Frownland 10-12-2016 11:57 AM

People not getting the coverage that Medicaid offers is actually more scary.

Key 10-12-2016 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite (Post 1756609)
I'd still pick Trump over Stein, but I'm very easily voting for Gary.

Wait what?

BlackMalachite 10-12-2016 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1756611)
People not getting the coverage that Medicaid offers is actually more scary.

The system needs to be drastically reworked to make that coverage available in a way that isn't a blatant squandering of our resources, tax dollars, etc.

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1756612)
Wait what?

I'm not pro-big government, I'm anti-big gov, which both Hillary and Jill are, and that's a major voting point for me, if not the biggest voting point. Hence why I'm voting for Johnson, and would pick Trump as a second choice if Johnson dropped out.

Key 10-12-2016 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite (Post 1756624)
I'm not pro-big government, I'm anti-big gov, which both Hillary and Jill are, and that's a major voting point for me, if not the biggest voting point. Hence why I'm voting for Johnson, and would pick Trump as a second choice if Johnson dropped out.

So, working the government like a business is better?

Frownland 10-12-2016 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1756629)
working the government like a business is better

It's sad to me that people think that this works.

BlackMalachite 10-12-2016 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1756629)
So, working the government like a business is better?

I believe so; obviously there are some aspects that can't be run like a business, and eventually everyone will come to realize that. But having the government be a regulations enforcer with a strict budget, rather than a dominating force with a whopping budget problem, run like a loop-hole free corporation would be much better.

Frownland 10-12-2016 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite (Post 1756636)
I believe so; obviously there are some aspects that can't be run like a business, and eventually everyone will come to realize that. But having the government be a regulations enforcer with a strict budget, rather than a dominating force with a whopping budget problem, run like a loop-hole free corporation would be much better.

Wouldn't a strict budget help avoid overspending?

Key 10-12-2016 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite (Post 1756636)
I believe so; obviously there are some aspects that can't be run like a business, and eventually everyone will come to realize that. But having the government be a regulations enforcer with a strict budget, rather than a dominating force with a whopping budget problem, run like a loop-hole free corporation would be much better.

That's rather silly. Not even going to get into the business arc of it involving Trump. Also, what's he going to do, hold Congress down and force them to agree with the way he runs things or else? Not going to work since the President doesn't actually have as much power as people think.

BlackMalachite 10-12-2016 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1756640)
Wouldn't a strict budget help avoid overspending?

That's exactly what I said, I wanted a strict budget.

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1756642)
That's rather silly. Not even going to get into the business arc of it involving Trump. Also, what's he going to do, hold Congress down and force them to agree with the way he runs things or else? Not going to work since the President doesn't actually have as much power as people think.

Obama proved over these last eight years (four in particular) that he can practically steamroll over Congress, so I'm not exactly sure what would be so different in regards to that.

Key 10-12-2016 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite (Post 1756645)

Obama proved over these last eight years (four in particular) that he can practically steamroll over Congress, so I'm not exactly sure what would be so different in regards to that.

Yes, because one out of the eight years he actually stood up to Congress counts as steamrolling.

Frownland 10-12-2016 12:11 PM

Ah I misread it but now I have another question. Isn't regulations enforcement BIG GOVERNMENT?

BlackMalachite 10-12-2016 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1756648)
Yes, because one out of the eight years he actually stood up to Congress counts as steamrolling.

He passed quite few executive orders if memory serves me correctly, correct me if I'm wrong though.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1756649)
Ah I misread it but now I have another question. Isn't regulations enforcement BIG GOVERNMENT?

No, it's limited government. Big government is interference with business policy in terms of how they run their business within the scope of the established rules.

Key 10-12-2016 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite (Post 1756651)
He passed quite few executive orders if memory serves me correctly, correct me if I'm wrong though.

I wouldn't know factually. My mom follows politics more than I do and she said he really only started to stand up to Congress in his last year or so.

Frownland 10-12-2016 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite (Post 1756651)

No, it's limited government. Big government is interference with business policy in terms of how they run their business within the scope of the established rules.

But how do you enforce regulations without creating established rules and interfering with business policy that breaks said regulations?

BlackMalachite 10-12-2016 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki (Post 1756655)
I wouldn't know factually. My mom follows politics more than I do and she said he really only started to stand up to Congress in his last year or so.

I did notice a sharp spike in the amount of activity Obama's been pushing through in this last year, so from what I've seen your mom is right. Although I wouldn't call it "standing up" considering a lot of things that have been passed due to these orders aren't exactly morally sound.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1756656)
But how do you enforce regulations without creating established rules and interfering with business policy that contradicts said regulations?

Oh no what I'm saying is; limited government is enforcing those established rules and regulations, big government is going beyond those rules and regulations to try and get involved much deeper into the way a business is run (aka who they can and can't serve to, etc)

Key 10-12-2016 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite (Post 1756657)
I did notice a sharp spike in the amount of activity Obama's been pushing through in this last year, so from what I've seen your mom is right. Although I wouldn't call it "standing up" considering a lot of things that have been passed due to these orders aren't exactly morally sound.

Example?

Frownland 10-12-2016 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite (Post 1756657)
Oh no what I'm saying is; limited government is enforcing those established rules and regulations, big government is going beyond those rules and regulations to try and get involved much deeper into the way a business is run (aka who they can and can't serve to, etc)

Before those rules were established, they had to be created. I think big government just tricked you into supporting it.


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