Fake presidential candidates polling high in the US

BlackMalachite · 10-12-2016, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki

Example?

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13684

Creating an arguably unconstitutional task force is a good example

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Before those rules were established, they had to be created. I think big government just tricked you into supporting it.

Could you explain further?

**Frownland** · 10-12-2016, 12:21 PM

Basically, the grass is always greener and what you describe as limiting government is also simultaneously giving the government more powers.

Key · 10-12-2016, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13684

Creating an arguably unconstitutional task force is a good example

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provide an effective partnership between law enforcement and local communities that reduces crime and increases

Yeah, seems rather immoral to attempt to save people's lives.

BlackMalachite · 10-12-2016, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Basically, the grass is always greener and what you describe as limiting government is also simultaneously giving the government more powers.

At this point though, turning the government back into regulators would actually involve scaling back their powers.

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Originally Posted by Ki

Yeah, seems rather immoral to attempt to save people's lives.

It's not that the concept is immoral, it's that the execution and methods involved in collecting information to transmit to "law enforcement" is immoral.

**Frownland** · 10-12-2016, 12:24 PM

I didn't catch that executive order bit. When will people learn that calling something unconstitutional is not the same as calling it bad or saying that you disagree with it?

BlackMalachite · 10-12-2016, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I didn't catch that executive order bit. When will people learn that calling something unconstitutional is not the same as calling it bad or saying that you disagree with it?

The methods of collecting information are unconstitutional and violate privacy laws, not to mention the immorality of it.

**Frownland** · 10-12-2016, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackMalachite

The methods of collecting information are unconstitutional and violate privacy laws, not to mention the immorality of it.

Could you elaborate?

Key · 10-12-2016, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I didn't catch that executive order bit. When will people learn that calling something unconstitutional is not the same as calling it bad or saying that you disagree with it?

You didn't catch the point I was asking him, though you just responded asking him to elaborate, which is what I asked him to do.

**Frownland** · 10-12-2016, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki

You didn't catch the point I was asking him, though you just responded asking him to elaborate, which is what I asked him to do.

I think the point is that dirty liberal Obama signed it so it's bad.

BlackMalachite · 10-12-2016, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Could you elaborate?

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Originally Posted by Ki

You didn't catch the point I was asking him, though you just responded asking him to elaborate, which is what I asked him to do.

To answer both of your questions; it allows local law enforcement to legally send statistics and personal details about an individual up to a federal level that would otherwise be locked under privacy laws, all in the name of "improving community relations."

10-12-2016, 12:21 PM	#42 (permalink)
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10-12-2016, 12:24 PM	#45 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	I didn't catch that executive order bit. When will people learn that calling something unconstitutional is not the same as calling it bad or saying that you disagree with it? __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x