To win Florida, Clinton would've had to gather ~74% of those Johnson/Stein votes. Even if you think the voters for those parties would lean towards choosing her, that's quite a large portion to say for certain.

First off, stop with the condescension for just this once. I understand just perfectly. Based on Florida, Johnson got 4 out of 5 third party votes. So he was a much more recognizable candidate. And again, most people fed up with the right and left are voting third party not on actual political platforms (seeing as a third party candidate hasn't a snowballs chance in hell of winning) but just to buck the system.

Call it rebel without a clue.

So, you hate the right and the left and want to make a statement (not elect a president) so you vote for the third party candidate who will make the most dissenting noise, even though it's useless noise.

Or maybe you just agree with the policies. The Libertarian party has been gaining more and more traction over the past few years.

Takes two to tango, dunce.

I think that you're painting with too broad of a brush when you assume the intentions of those who vote third party. It's analogous to thinking that all Muslims are terrorists, that all liberals are absolute retards, or that all conservatives are misogynistic and racist.

You just didn't answer the question as to how those votes cost Clinton Florida.

Trump 48%
Clinton 48%
Johnson 3%

Yup, watch out for the Libertarians.

And Frownland, you're doing your usual argue for argument sake on this. Do you honestly believe that anyone who pushed a button for Johnson last night really thought he had a chance? Those were purely "I hate Clinton and Trump" votes. Not "I agree with Johnson and want him as president" votes.

Again, how did those votes cost Clinton Florida?

No, this is genuinely how I feel. I gave Ki **** about it when he lamented Florida going to Trump and blaming Johnson last night. I'd agree with you but I can't find the off switch for my brain. Not saying what you describe doesn't exist because people are stupid and reactionary but I think it is nowhere near a majority of those voters like you're trying to depict them as.

Still doesn't negate my point that the votes were not stolen from Clinton, but from Trump.

Also is anyone surprised that now Trump is elected, a white cisgender male is going around telling segments of the population how they think? Ja me neither. Check your privilege, Chula.

Why not both?

Two candidates who didn't stand a chance, who didn't earn a single electoral vote, who may have had 46% of their votes go to Clinton if they hadn't been on the ticket is my point.

Again, Gore would have won Florida in 2000 if not for Nobody-Nader.