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Old 11-27-2016, 08:37 PM   #21 (permalink)
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He also emphasized the necessity of a transitional socialist state as the historical stage between capitalism and communism. He never said that stateless, classless communism world appear overnight, that's utopian. Cuba is not a communist society, it is at best a transitional socialist state.
Yeah, just like every other communist country. That transitional state is the oppressive dictatorship. The USSR was a transitional socialist state too.
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Old 11-28-2016, 04:25 AM   #22 (permalink)
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The Cuban government hasn't released any details, but the man has been in declining health for over fifteen years. The press has speculated for a long time that Castro has suffered from diverticulitis, so that's probably the most likely death cause.
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Yeah, just like every other communist country. That transitional state is the oppressive dictatorship. The USSR was a transitional socialist state too.
You're proving my point. I was arguing against what i perceived to be an utopian interpretation of Marx.
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You're proving my point. I was arguing against what i perceived to be an utopian interpretation of Marx.
It's a meaningless point because no country has ever been able to get past the transitional stage because, duh, dictators don't give up power. In all likelihood there will never be a true communist state because the transitional period is a toilet you can't get out of.
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It is Utopian, not likely to ever actually be reached but part of political theory is envisioning what ought to be rather than what is
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All well and good, but when the real life examples of an ideology are pretty much universal failures at reaching their intended goals then maybe you should rethink your support of that ideology.
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They aren't real life examples of it because communism isn't a form of government and certainly doesn't include dictatorship

All modern western democracies have Marxist influences though
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They aren't real life examples of it because communism isn't a form of government and certainly doesn't include dictatorship

All modern western democracies have Marxist influence
That is not at all the point and is a total sidestep.
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It's also worth pointing out Capatalism has never worked without incredible state intervention
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