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Old 02-13-2017, 03:41 PM   #2591 (permalink)
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"Blatant" racism? Where he said "some" illegal immigrants coming out of Mexico were rapists or drug dealers or cartel members? In the liberal news world, I guess that means that ALL Mexicans must be those things. But he never said "all" Mexicans now did he?

I'm not trying to be mean to you here. I'm trying to demonstrate the difference between analyzing what is actually said versus analyzing an interpretation that a media outlet snipped out of a larger statement. If you are going to say Trump is motivated by racism and sexism, you need to provide evidence that those are his prime motivating factors.
His sexism comes from how he over all treats women even under the spot light. I'm not talking about the "Grab her by the pussy comment" because most of us have said much worse, but how he always talked about appearance when talking about women or claiming that reporter was on her period.

He didn't say some were bad. He said he's sure that a few of them are good.

Kind of like saying, I'm sure a few liberals aren't whiny pussies.
I'm sure a few conservatives aren't in the Klu Klux Klan.
I'm sure a few bands Ellphnor likes have talent.
I'm sure a few girls might sleep with Batlord.
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I'm sure a few children didn't turn Peter Scully on.
I'm sure a few Nickel Back songs don't make me want to blow my brains out.
I'm sure a few Justin Bieber fans are over 12.
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Old 02-13-2017, 03:41 PM   #2592 (permalink)
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I'm not sure I said that at all. I think you are confused as to what entails an "experiment". Murder isn't an experiment because murder has one result - death.

You stated in one of your previous posts that once we have a conclusion, it's no longer an experiment. I suppose you clarified what you meant here, but it was confusing since an experiment is an experiment even when you have a conclusion.
I was just using a random comparison. I didn't want to make it seem like you were saying it.

I would say in this case, the experiment was based solely on the running and campaign of Donald Trump, and to see what he would do as president. Considering the campaign is over and he continues to try to do what he said he would do as president, I'd say the experiment is nearing a conclusion. At what point are we going to stop making it seem like it's something that could happen, and prepare for what has happened. People like to make the argument that "Trump won't get away with that." But what if he did? Are we just going to stand back and be like "well, it's not that bad." Just wait until people start dying because they can't get health insurance anymore.

My point is, just because none of what he's put forward effects you or some of us in the forum, we can't just assume it means nothing. If you were effected by the travel ban, I imagine your opinion would be vastly different than it is now.

And to Ant: You need to do some further reading if you really believe that Trump isn't as racist or sexist as the media portrays.
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Old 02-13-2017, 03:46 PM   #2593 (permalink)
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His sexism comes from how he over all treats women even under the spot light. I'm not talking about the "Grab her by the pussy comment" because most of us have said much worse, but how he always talked about appearance when talking about women or claiming that reporter was on her period.

He didn't say some were bad. He said he's sure that a few of them are good.

Kind of like saying, I'm sure a few liberals aren't whiny pussies.
I'm sure a few conservatives aren't in the Klu Klux Klan.
I'm sure a few bands Ellphnor likes have talent.
I'm sure a few girls might sleep with Batlord.
I'm sure a few of Anteater's employees can afford to eat.
I'm sure a few children didn't turn Peter Scully on.
I'm sure a few Nickel Back songs don't make me want to blow my brains out.
I'm sure a few Justin Bieber fans are over 12.
Should I be paying my guys more than the six figures they already make annually? Sheesh.

Also, I'm just going to share this since it ties into the point I "thought" I got across before.

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^I don't really think you're quite understanding the actual point people are putting across. But it seems rather convenient that you'll tell other people to further their reading but simultaneously not read into media. Is there a source that you're reading that somehow is deemed more factually accurate than what people saw during the campaign? Trump didn't just randomly start being called sexist and racist. He based his campaign on it.
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I can see both sides - his supporters are still in "give him a chance" mode and I will admit the media is creaming their pants with the constant headlines berating him.

That being said...now it's a question of risk vs. reward. I feel a lot of his supporters felt the reward would have been worth the potential risk he posed. At this point it's pretty clear that reward we are hoping for is well beyond Trump's capacity. Even if he wanted to accomplish these things, he gets too distracted and he will be blocked at every turn by the Democrats (when they can) and the judiciary. That only leaves risk...having a man as our leader who had no idea the scope of this job is DANGEROUS.
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I will admit the media is creaming their pants with the constant headlines berating him.
The anti-Trump media bias has really taken on a life of it's own. It really only hurts their credibility and plays into Trump's narrative of not believing anything they say. I mean the guy's an absolute dick and such an easy target but they need to pull back and stick to the facts which make the alternative facts look as ludicrous as they are.
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Should I be paying my guys more than the six figures they already make annually? Sheesh.

Also, I'm just going to share this since it ties into the point I "thought" I got across before.

No, it's just an example. We all know every band Elphanor likes has talent, let's be honest here.

No, see, everybody has a bit of prejudice and preconceived stereotypes about people. But we don't all act on it because we can critically think. He made a statement implying that majority of the illegal Mexicans coming into our country are violent criminals putting us at risk. Not only is he acting on racist ideals but he wants to implement policies based on that specific racist idea. A lot of what he says is scarily parallel to a Klan rally. The Klan says the Mexicans have taken this country from the whites. Trump says the illegals have taken this country from real Americans. The Klan says make America white again. Trump says make America great again. The Klan wants to **** their daughters, Trump wants to **** his daughter. Some of it might be a little hyperbolic but it's still there. They both probably wanted to hang Obama too. His whole birther movement was completely racist and would never happen if Obama was white.
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^I don't really think you're quite understanding the actual point people are putting across. But it seems rather convenient that you'll tell other people to further their reading but simultaneously not read into media. Is there a source that you're reading that somehow is deemed more factually accurate than what people saw during the campaign? Trump didn't just randomly start being called sexist and racist. He based his campaign on it.
I do read into the media. And you have seen in past posts how I've eviscerated people for not reading into their own cited articles enough.

But unfortunately in today's day and age that's just the first step. The media are not objective and don't mix well with people not aligned to their parent company's agenda. Guys like Trump and, going a few years back, Mitt Romney. That's why you have to see what angle they are looking at something, why they're looking at it the way they are, then go back and read word-for-word what was said to figure out if there's a disconnect.
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I can see both sides - his supporters are still in "give him a chance" mode and I will admit the media is creaming their pants with the constant headlines berating him.

That being said...now it's a question of risk vs. reward. I feel a lot of his supporters felt the reward would have been worth the potential risk he posed. At this point it's pretty clear that reward we are hoping for is well beyond Trump's capacity. Even if he wanted to accomplish these things, he gets too distracted and he will be blocked at every turn by the Democrats (when they can) and the judiciary. That only leaves risk...having a man as our leader who had no idea the scope of this job is DANGEROUS.
So far the only thing he has accomplished is getting people into cabinet positions that have less experience thane even he has.
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That only leaves risk...having a man as our leader who had no idea the scope of this job is DANGEROUS.
That's precisely what I'm getting at. He has been president now for almost a full month, and there has been more chaos going on in this country than we saw over the past 8 years with Obama. I'm not saying the Obama presidency was perfect. Far from it. However, people weren't fearing for their lives because they wouldn't be able to get their pre-existing conditions taken care of under the insurance they have right now.

But I have another argument to put forward as well. With the successful nominations of Betsy DeVos and his other cabinet choices, how much worth can we put into getting our word out. I'm talking specifically about people rioting in the streets and protesting decisions that get allowed regardless of the public backlash. Is this just something we're going to have to get used to? Donald Trump has proven time and time again that no amount of public outcry will even come close to swaying his opinion on a bad choice.
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