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Old 02-15-2017, 09:26 PM   #2821 (permalink)
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Old 02-15-2017, 09:29 PM   #2822 (permalink)
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At this point it is what it is though. They do the work that most Americans couldn't be bothered with. And you and I benefit from it. Want to "fix it? Our economy will suffer, prices will sore, some companies might go out of business, healthcare costs will go up even more, etc.

A lot of needlessly scared Americans will sleep better at night but will also bitch like crazy when their tomato prices go up 150% as a result.
Okay and that's fine. I'm not blind to reality, but don't you think we should be working towards practical ways of not relying on them while simultaneously tackling the problem of illegal immigration?

"It's dysfunctional, but it works, so let's just leave it be". We should always be seeking to improve out situation.
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Old 02-15-2017, 09:30 PM   #2823 (permalink)
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No, but he does tell you right where he gets his information when saying "The Toronto Sun reports..."
yeah and I found this number: "35,000 to 120,000 “illegals from the attorney general, I think, in 2003

that's the one he cites, that's the only one you'd be able to find

It's just not a very convincing answer, it sounds like they don't actually have a clue

It's sort of besides the point just curious
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Old 02-15-2017, 09:31 PM   #2824 (permalink)
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Okay and that's fine. I'm not blind to reality, but don't you think we should be working towards practical ways of not relying on them while simultaneously tackling the problem of illegal immigration?
Sure, but "THE WALL" is not a practical start. Don't throw out the baby with the bath water.
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If you bothered reading any of the previous discussion, I said on more than one occasion I thought the wall was a stupid idea. My only argument was to stop giving Anteater ****, because the wall itself is not racist. Also, as I said to Trollheart, I'm not gonna repeat my entire argument, but if you'd like to dig through and bring up something that I possibly over looked or you feel I didn't make a good enough case for then feel free.
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My only argument was to stop giving Anteater ****, because the wall itself is not racist.
But the concept of the wall, as used by Trump on the campaign trail, is completely racist and xenophobic.

We can agree to disagree on that but I'm surprised you don't comprehend this.

And I've read the entire discussion. Don't condescend.
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That's bull****. They don't do the work most Americans couldn't be bothered with. There are tons of Americans looking for jobs that would love to take ANYTHING they could.
The actual economist consensus on this is that illegal immigrants create jobs that wouldn't exist otherwise

so you're like half right

to elaborate if there were no illegal immigrants to be paid pennies a day, farmers would grow less of the crops that are labor intensive and the prices for those particular crops would go up slightly while those jobs just wouldn't exist

Because while Americans may be willing to do the job, they would not do the job for $3 an hour
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Old 02-15-2017, 09:43 PM   #2828 (permalink)
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But the concept of the wall, as used by Trump on the campaign trail, is completely racist and xenophobic.

We can agree to disagree on that but I'm surprised you don't comprehend this.

And I've read the entire discussion. Don't condescend.
That is 100% True. I'm sure not all the wall supporters are racist. Some of them are just stupid.
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So it's racist when Donald Trump does it, but not when Obama signed a bill that spent $600 million to reinforce the border?

My argument was addressing the question: is the policy racist? Not, is Donald Trump racist?
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The actual economist consensus on this is that illegal immigrants create jobs that wouldn't exist otherwise

so you're like half right

to elaborate if there were no illegal immigrants to be paid pennies a day, farmers would grow less of the crops that are labor intensive and the prices for those particular crops would go up slightly while those jobs just wouldn't exist
Link? Cause if it's anything like that 97% scientist consensus on global warming it's bull****. Because they have NEVER officially polled scientists. I mean, yeah, you'll have a hard time finding a climate scientist or meteorologist that doesn't believe that climate change is a man made threat, but that consensus number is bull****.
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