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elphenor 02-24-2017 09:29 PM

I don't really buy it everyone thinks they're a responsible gun owner

elphenor 02-24-2017 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1808877)
And my original argument was that rights shouldn't be granted or restricted based solely on statistics. I'm not a Libertarian, but I do believe in self-governing, and not letting the government stick its nose in the private affairs of its citizens unless necessary is preferable.

And I half agree with this provided it's regulated to where your right to own a gun doesn't put my right to not get shot in unreasonable danger

DwnWthVwls 02-24-2017 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1808877)
And my original argument was that rights shouldn't be granted or restricted based solely on statistics. I'm not a Libertarian, but I do believe in self-governing, and not letting the government stick its nose in the private affairs of its citizens unless necessary is preferable.

I agree with that too which I've gotten crap for in the past, but I just really don't like guns and find them completely unnecessary for anyone to own.. Guess it's just one of those things where I let my bias cloud my objective reasoning.

Chula Vista 02-24-2017 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1808894)
I don't really buy it everyone thinks they're a responsible gun owner

A responsible gun owner is judged by others. Not by the gun owner themself. For example, I consider anyone that open carries a total dickweed, unless they are way out in the middle of east bum**** USA.

Dickweed:

http://www.range365.com/sites/range3...?itok=JdA_XgtF

elphenor 02-24-2017 09:43 PM

I'm sure that guy uses similar reasons to why you want an intruder to hear you loading the gun to justify why he wants everyone to see he has a gun


This is strictly my opinion but when a break and enter criminal gets shot to death I just feel bad for the criminal dick move to use a gun as self defense over your ****ing TV or some **** just call the cops

And more heinous crimes are overwhelmingly committed by people close to you not by random break-ins

Chula Vista 02-24-2017 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1808897)
I agree with that too which I've gotten crap for in the past, but I just really don't like guns and find them completely unnecessary for anyone to own.. Guess it's just one of those things where I let my bias cloud my objective reasoning.

There's a bail bond company out here that has the perfect slogan that also works in regards to gun ownership.

"It's better to know me, and not need me. Than to need me, and not know me."

DwnWthVwls 02-24-2017 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1808900)
This is strictly my opinion but when a break and enter criminal gets shot to death I just feel bad for the criminal dick move to use a gun as self defense over your ****ing TV or some **** just call the cops

That's pretty much what I was getting at when I asked Batlord if it's okay to shoot robbers..

Chula Vista 02-24-2017 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1808900)
I'm sure that guy uses similar reasons to why you want an intruder to hear you loading the gun to justify why he wants everyone to see he has a gun

You are comparing a guy walking through a family restaurant with a person who's defending their home and family from an intruder?


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This is strictly my opinion but when a break and enter criminal gets shot to death I just feel bad for the criminal dick move to use a gun as self defense over your ****ing TV or some **** just call the cops
When a person breaks into your home do you stop and question their intentions? If I yell that I have a gun, then cock it, and an intruder decides to still proceed up the stairs? Sorry, but I'm going to be in 100% defense mode based on self preservation for me and mine.

elphenor 02-24-2017 09:54 PM

I also think you're seeing things like they happen in the movies like you're gonna go Die Hard on some criminals ass when in reality all you're probably doing is inviting a shootout you don't want when there's kids in the house

I mean you do you, the odds that the gun ever leaves the safe at all are minuscule I'm not trying to say don't keep one if it makes you feel better

Chula Vista 02-24-2017 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1808905)
I also think you're seeing things like they happen in the movies like you're gonna go Die Hard on some criminals ass when in reality all you're probably doing is inviting a shootout you don't want when there's kids in the house

I mean you do you, the odds that the gun ever leaves the safe at all are minuscule

First off my youngest child is 28. Second off, you're 100% right. The odds are miniscule. Thirdly, I'd rather have one and never have to use it, than experience a situation where I wished I had one.

I've been to the range a number of times and have fired a few hundred rounds. I practice all of the safety rules and completely respect my firearm. It's not a show off piece, i.e; Die Hard. You're the one stuck in Hollywood, not me.

Can you name the 4 rules of gun safety? I have them memorized.


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